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Hi Elisa!
That sounds great!
Congratulations on working on getting your rosacea under control.
The pycnogenol is great.
I take grapeseed extract.
I also take ACIDOPHILUS.(I feel that is a must for rosaceans)
But I do want to say one thing,,and that is,,,,you can take all the super
vitamins in the world but if you have a HIGH amount of TOXINS in your body those
EXPENSIVE vitamins are not going to do you a bit of good!.
We need to *cleanse* first,then get the nutritional power.
Also,,,if you are taking all these vitamins,but continue to eat junk food
forget seeing results as well as we need to work WITH the vitamins by getting
fresh fruits and vegetables,and LOTS of *pure* water every day!'If you are not
doing these things,and not drinking lots of PURE water do not expect great
results.
There are no miracle,s in pills if we dont live a diet that helps promote its
benefits.
I have been in remission for two plus years because of my diet(and cleansing
toxins from my body,which I feel is the cause of rosacea.)
All the best to you and welcome to the forum!
Marilyn

The supplements sound good, similar to what I'm taking. (And
definitley expensive! sigh) They do seem to help--they didn't do
anything for the redness (that was diet), but my skin just looks
better. That and drinking a lot of water. I hate drinking so much
water--I feel like a walking lake sometimes, LOL--but it does help my
skin health in general. I've also added a low carb, no sugar diet and
have noticed improvements in my face, expecially in color. I can call
myself pink now, sometimes almost normal, and not often red any more.
(Unless I forget my hat in the sun! Argh)
I've been using a multivitamin from Atkins, but that's not a cheaper
alternative. It also just uses Niacinamide in the mix. For Omegas,
I've seen the Atkins one recommended, as well as Omega Brite.
And sulphur soap seems to be something that works for a lot of people.
Another thing you might want to try, and it doesn't work for everyone,
is Cutanix. They give free 30-day samples, which gives you time to see
if it really works. It didn't work for me, but many have found it
great. And it's not prescription like Metros or Noritate, so you can
get it easily. www.cutanix.com. There are three different kinds, a
regular, a sensitive skin, and a newer one that I forget what it's
called.
Pam in D.C.

A database of Rosacea Diet Humor has been established
for your enjoyment and hopefully you can add your own
humor. For inspiration, read GT's Rosacea Diet Humor
in the FILES section on the group site at this url

I've had issues with rosacea for a few years now. I'm 23, female,
and fair skinned. With the help of books and nice people at my local
health food store, I have started taking the following:
Morning:
Megafood Women's One Daily
All nutrients are foodstate and it includes niacinamide, not niacin
Spirulina 500mg
CoQ10 30mg
B-100 Caps (NOW brand) with niacinamide
Alfalfa Leaf, 1000mg
Omega-3 1000mg (more EPA than DHA)
Washed down with Emer'gen-C (which has B3 as Potassium-Magnesium
Niacinate...any thoughts on this?)
Lunch:
Borage Oil w/ 300 mg of GLA
E-400
Spirulina 500mg
Pycnogenol 30mg
It has been about two weeks so far. I'm not sure if anything is
happening yet but i'm going to stick with it as long as i can afford
it. These supplements are not cheap. I was going to switch my multi
until i found out about the niacin thing this morning, so i think
i'll take the new one back and keep looking.
I avoid caffeine for the most part and keep the other typical
triggers (hot bevs, spicy food, chocolate) to a minimum. Topical
treatments have not worked for me (they would only give me Noritate),
though for a brief time I used Sulfur soap and seemed to notice a
diff. I am going back to that.
-Elisa

Oh,,I forgot to mention,,,,that if you DO claim a CURE for something you better
have the SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH to PROVE it.
If you can do that,,,youor ok.
If not,If you cannot back up your claim by scientific EVIDENCE and the FTC comes
after you then you better have a good lawyer!
I know that many stubborn people will ignore this and keep on calling their
diet.medicine whatever a CURE.
I cant stop them.
Even if I DID feel that I was cured,,,,for example by my diet I will still not
use that word.Cure.
I am merely covering my tail feathers in a legal senses.
I just wanted to let everyone know what is happening today.
Bye for now Marilyn

Yes.

As everyone here knows I have been in remission for two plus years.
Now,,,,,the key word here is REMISSION!
The difference between me and everyone else who claims freedom from rosacea is
that I have NEVER said that I was CURED!
I have said that I have my rosacea under complete control to the point that it
has reversed itself.
Just a friendly warning to those who are claiming CURES.
The FTC is really cracking down on people and company,s(Both MLM
company.,s(Mutli-level marketing) and non-mlm company,s.
Recently a popular drink called SEASILVER was shut down and had their assets
froze.
Another company claimed a CURE for heart disease called The Heart Bar.
They were forced to comply with certain rules if they wanted to stay in
business(re-labeling of their products)
Robert Barefoot,s CORAL CALCIUM is shut down and Kevin Trudeau has been fined
again for false and misleading health claims on his infomercial.
They claimed that CORAL CALCIUM is the CURE ALL for every disease! LOL
Dont worry about cancer ,,,just take coral calcium!.
If we are not CAREFUL we could find ourselves at the wrath of the FTC!.
You can choose to listen to me or you can choose to ignore me.
That is up to you.
But it is no secret that the FTC is cracking down on individuals and company,s
that make *miracle* health claims.
Fact.
Brady does NOT say in his book that his diet is a CURE!
He has nothing to worry about but the ones who tout CURES have something to
worry about.
I realize that this is totally biased from the Big Pharmaceutical company,s that
hold all the POWER and that this is a WAR on alternative medicine ,(yet they
approve of cigarettes and booze which kill millins,LOL) but that is besides the
point!
The point is,,,,They DO have the POWER and I am just telling you that you better
be careful what you say and how you word it
Take my advice or leave it.
Its up to you.
Bye for now
Marilyn

Hi Suzanne
I'm so glad you decided to write. I also have/had severe rosacea and skin
lupus too, which causes really ugly deep red spots....so you can understand
how heavy duty my challenges are. I followed the rosacea diet and after 30
days my face was so clear that I had to keep looking in the mirror to make
sure I wasn't hallucinating. I was in total awe that the lupus spots
disappeared too.
It's been over a year now since I got the book. I've been working on
expanding my food choices and and have learned that some foods eaten in very
small quantities don't cause a reaction. If its something I really love and
and I eat more than 1/4 cup I start that tingling feeling, so I have to be
exceedingly careful. I always remind myself that I have the rosacea diet
that will get me back on track pronto. Thanks to Brady I know exactly what
to do to have healthy vibrant skin.
This group was my mainstay during the first 30 days....I received constant
support from all the members. I've selfishly stayed involved with the
support group
because I need that contact and reminders that every one else has struggles
like mine. The group is also a way for me expand my knowledge about rosacea
and all the new helpful remedies.
So I do hope you will share your struggles and successes with us.
Lee

Dear Marilyn
I have simply not had the time yet to address your question yet. I have
a very busy life. I answer all questions sent. My group is moderated so
it will be slow. The purpose of the moderation is to maintain focus,
reduce confusion, and prevent disrupting influences. I also sent you a
email 3 days ago, but have not heard from you? I posted the following
message last night which answers part of your question.
Kind regards
OneLove
What About Other Cleanses and Diets?
Dear Friends
This group is going to focus solely on the simple internal cleansing and
health promoting diet that has been described. These procedures are very
sound and cure rosacea. There are many different types of cleansing
techniques and diets. For those with little or no experience, the myriad
of different techniques, diets, and conflicting viewpoints regarding
health can be confusing to say the least! We hear almost daily through
the media how a new research study changes or conflicts with a once
thought to be true idea regarding health. Or perhaps a friend tells us
about the latest fad diet.
I am particularly not an advocate of the Hulda Clark liver cleanse. The
liver cleanse she prescribes is particularly unsound which does not use
pre-cleanse and post cleanse measures. Some of you may or may not be
familiar with her. She has written some books on alternative health and
is very prominent on the internet. If you are using any of the treatment
procedures Hulda Clark prescribes, I would highly suggest you
discontinue those procedures as soon as possible. From the standpoint of
eastern medicine, her measures are unbalanced. They may also aggravate
rosacea symptoms.
I am also not an advocate of long fasts, water fasts, master cleanse
fast, psyllium seed bentonite clay cleansing, raw food diet, low
carbohydrate diet, high protein diet, or any of the other potentially
unbalancing cleansing techniques and diets out there. Having studied and
experienced many of these techniques and diets during the past twenty
years, it is my hope that the sole focus on the simple cleansing
procedures and dietary information described, plus the reliance on the
time tested principles of eastern medicine will reduce the time and
money you spend on your healing journey.
Rosacea is a product of the modern western diet and fast paced high
stress lifestyle. Modern culture has yet to recognize the value of a
balanced diet and internal cleansing which have been used by ancient
cultures for thousands of years. However, the day is coming when this
information will be common place. With the information described, you
can cure rosacea and build the foundation for longevity and disease
prevention.
Sincerely
OneLove
Resource Books
Perfect Health - Dr. Deepak Chopra
Ayurvedic Healing - Dr. David Frawley
The Amazing Liver Cleanse - Andreas Moritz
Live In the Balance: East West Nutrition - Linda Prout
The Complete Book of Ayurvedic Home Remedies - Dr. Vasant Lad
Between Heaven and Earth: A Guide to Chinese Medicine - Dr. Harriet
Beinfield

Deb, Alice, and Norm and Group,
Sorry. I thought the settings allowed members to upload
photos. I have now set the photo setting to allow members
to upload photos.
Whoever wants to upload can do it now. I will be happy
to upload Deb's photos.
Brady

Yes,That is nice of Brady to recognize other groups that are forming about
rosacea whethere or not one agree,s with them.
So I joined Onelove,s forum and asked a question about colonic irrigation as he
posted that topic but he wont respond.
If one cannot or will not answer questions that are on TOPIC according to the
RULES of their forum I have to ask WHY.
Thats way to heavily moderated for me when there is no room even for questions!
No freedom of speech there and dont ask questions.
I guess he doe not want to be quesitoned.
So I will stick to this forum.
When one creates a forum one must EXPECT *questions*.
If you feel that you have the answer then you better be prepared to back it up.
This is the first one that I found long ago and I,ve been here ever since.
Onelove I put this here so you could see it as I cannot e-mail you.
Im very annoyed that you did not post my question on the possible risks of colin
irrigation.
I only sincerly wanted to know.
I was sticking tp your RULES and I stayed on TOPIC.
Oh well.
Heck,,,maybe I will start my own RAW DIET and JUICING forum for rosacea.LOL
If I do I,ll let everyone know and you can post as you please.I will answer all
questions.
I read many good testimonials yesterday on the net about itand one womans
(exetreme) rosacea went away after 10 days on this all raw diet.
At any rate I really this forum,and after LURKING for a while on The Rosacea
Diet forum I think I will introduce myself there now.
I like to read the forums and what works for everyone.
I realize that some people think that they alone are right and thats the end of
the story.
Im a little more open minded than that and I allow everyone to voice their own
opinion and what has worked for THEM.
Sorry If I should not have posted this here but when folks do claim to have
*THE* Answer they should be prepared to back it up like Brady has with his
Rosacea Diet.
There is not a question that he will not answer if you ask him.
Have a great day everyone
Marilyn

Hi, Brady,
I pray that all is well with you.
Your question is answered by the statement, "Time will tell." This is not an
empty statement. Although it allows for the possibility that many will be
deceived, and lose their money, to false "cures", the only sure way to tell the
true from the false, is by giving it time, and effective investigation. Sort of
like the old saying about giving someone, (i.e. the person making the "cure
claim"), enough rope, to hang themselves.
I have only been here for two months, but you have been dealing with the
problems of rosaceans, for much longer. If there have been "cure claims" for
rosacea, let's say during the last five or ten years, that "came and went", so
to speak, those would most likely qualify, as having been motivated ONLY by the
profit motive. In other words, after enough people have spent their money, and
found out the hard way that the "cure" did not work, then you and I would most
likely agree, that that cure was entirely false, and motivated ONLY by profit.
Of course, I may have an OPINION, concerning the validity of any present claim
for a "cure", but it is only an OPINION, until time proves my OPINION correct or
incorrect. Since each "cure" claim must be taken case-by-case, and each
person's education and knowledge make their opinion better or worse than
average, it is indeed, as you say, a "tough one".
But five years from now, you and I would probably agree completely, as to what
the real, complete truth was, concerning the motivation for any of the five
"cure claim" examples you give. So I hope I have answered your question, without
opening the can of worms of applying my OPINION to those four PRESENT examples.
I did feel the need, as a public service, to offer the QUESTIONS about this new
group, which I offered, so light heartedly. My QUESTIONING, about this new
group-owner's, (i.e. shivatron's), motivation, might save some people some
wasted time and money. That was the only intention in my original short
statement.
As for profit in general, I could not agree with you more, that it is a
sensitive, misunderstood issue. I believe everyone, the world over, would
agree with you, that there is nothing wrong with the profit motive, as long as
it never is allowed to overrule the "spiritually higher" motivations of our
lives.
God Bless,
Dave Fleming
Brady Barrows <brady.barrows@...
Dave,
You still haven't provided an example of
a rosacea 'cure' that is solely a profit
motive. There are now a total of
five 'cures' for rosacea on my LINKS
page and here they are
A 'Cure' for Rosacea?
A $5 "cure" for rosacea by Ron Tramontano
http://209.203.236.17/drron/rosacea.html
A $20 "cure" for rosacea by Frank Boyd

Dear Pam,
Don't worry. If anyone is paying shivatron-gonelove to stop the establishment
of [FLUCONAZOLE 1% SOLUTION], as the only treatment/cure, ever to actually
effectively attack the CAUSE of rosacea, they are paying her too much.
Brady posted this info about Diflucan, (and a huge amount more), over three
weeks ago, on the rosacea-cure board. That post, with my answer, is at:

how is your accutane treatments going. wht week are
you in.. and is it getting better with the cysts

Onelove, the warnings you posted are for internally ingested diflucan
and the version Dave uses is a topical and is not ingested. Some of
the same warnings may apply due to absorption through the skin and
this has already been noted back when it was first posted.
I really hope not to have some war started over diflucan--I expect
that Dave will post a response and I don't want to see this get out of
control. Just a note that if this topic starts getting "frequent" the
moderators will step in. The warning on toxicity is here now and duly
noted (thank you, this will make is searchable in the archives now),
and a response by Dave will also be noted by all, and then let's
please not continue it.
It's one of the hot button kind of issues and it's best not to let it
take over the list.
Thank you!
Pam in D.C., on of the moderators.

Welcome to the group and thanks for your gracious comment.
Let us know how your are doing on the diet.
Brady
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 11:37 AM, suzzane_1999

Hello,
I just wanted to introduce myself......I am suzzane and suffer
from rosacea (severe). I am looking forward to talking with everyone.
I would also like to thank Mr. Barrows for a wonderful (and about
time) good book!! Thank you.....

Dear Friends
I did some research on Diflucan and what I found was very disturbing to
say the least. I discovered that Diflucan as stated on the official
Diflucan.com website is a known liver toxin and associated with deaths!
See official warning statement below.
WARNING
"Hepatic injury: DIFLUCAN has been associated with rare cases of serious
hepatic toxicity, including fatalities primarily in patients with
serious underlying medical conditions. In cases of DIFLUCAN-associated
hepatotoxicity, no obvious relationship to total daily dose, duration of
therapy, sex or age of the patient has been observed. DIFLUCAN
hepatotoxicity has usually, but not always, been reversible on
discontinuation of therapy. Patients who develop abnormal liver function
tests during DIFLUCAN therapy should be monitored for the development of
more severe hepatic injury. DIFLUCAN should be discontinued if clinical
signs and symptoms consistent with liver disease develop that may be
attributable to DIFLUCAN."
Since Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) is a wood solvent used in industrial
applications, and FLUCONAZOLE 1% SOLUTION is a synthetic compound (the
body can not assimilate synthetics and collect in the liver) known to
suppress the symptoms of nail fungus, is it possible that FLUCONAZOLE
1% SOLUTION is simply suppressing the body's natural mechanism of
releasing heat and toxins through the skin? And over time leading to
something as insidious as liver disease or cancer?
Yes, Flucozone is applied topically, but it is a known fact that the
skin absorbs what is applied to it and enters directly into the blood
stream. Far from being a treatment of grace, the evidence points to this
type of treatment as being an absolute disgrace! If someone advises you
to consume a slow poison contrary to stated warnings and deaths, is that
not truly evil?
OneLove

Same here. Took yogurt out of my diet a few months ago and sw
improvement. I Try to be very cautious with fermented foods bec of
the sugar. In moderation, some hard cheeses don't seem to bother me
too much.

Deb,
go to the group site

Dave,
You still haven't provided an example of
a rosacea 'cure' that is solely a profit
motive. There are now a total of
five 'cures' for rosacea on my LINKS
page and here they are
A 'Cure' for Rosacea?
A $5 "cure" for rosacea by Ron Tramontano
http://209.203.236.17/drron/rosacea.html
A $20 "cure" for rosacea by Frank Boyd

Deb,
My dermatologist, Dr. Zahner performed the procedure. He is located in
Hinsdale (630.455.1756). I have seen noticeable results but believe further
treatments are needed. I have never had Photoderm but the more I read about
it, the more it seems like the way to go, as it can target more than just
superficial surface veins. Also, I understand Photoderm covers a larger
area per "hit." On the contrary, a PDL hit is approximately the size of a
pencil eraser. My dermatologist recommends further treatments with a PDL
and then "blend" with Photoderm. Everyone seems to have an opinion and
sifting and disciphering through all the information is frustrating. What
was your experience with Photoderm?
-Kris

self tanner here, i looked really funny. it's orange
and usually streaks. i've tried the cheapies to the
more expensive ones including the tanning salon
applications. because i'm sooooo fair i look very
unnatural and i'm even more self conscious than being
beyond white. it maked my face break out. funny
enough i can actually get a sunburn on my face and my
rosacea doesn't go too crazy but i obviously avoid
direct sun anyway. a co-worker who isn't as fair,
self tans at the salon and she looks more natural so
it might look better on you than me.
good luck
smiles
cassie

Happy Canada Day to all Canadians!!

Dear Brady,
Wow! I had no idea my light hearted comment would bring me so much info!!!
Ron Tramontano and Frank Boyd are names I have never seen, so I guess I have not
done all my homework. I am sorry that no one has asked me about the P.T. Barnum
story about the "Egress" sign. I was dying to tell it.
The deeper implication, in what I wrote, was that any "cure" offered by anyone
motivated ONLY by profit, would be a false or sham "cure", by definition.
I do have my opinions about shivatron-onelove, but I think I defined the
situation clearly, when I repeated the wise man. "Time will tell."
I think it is strange, that shivatron-onelove did not mention initially, that
he/she had had rosacea. I think it is strange, that his/her original long post
listed several URLs at the end, that are obviously meant to generate income,
while he/she claims that is not his/her goal. I also find it strange, that the
name of his/her group is so close to my own group's name, (i.e. rosacea-cure, vs
therosaceacure). I could go on and on, but that will suffice, I guess.
None of this is of much importance to me, but I did feel the need to warn those
reading the rosacean posts, by offering my short, light hearted opinion about
the situation.
As you know, dear Brady, I have experienced attacks, (by what might be called
the "status-quo forces"), and I expect many more. I expect these attacks to be
crafty, deceptive in the extreme, and well coordinated.
This new group MIGHT exist for the sole purpose of "muddying the water", and
trying to defeat the establishment of this special and amazing mixture of
DMSO-fluconazole, (named FLUCONAZOLE 1% SOLUTION), AS THE ONLY SUBSTANCE EVER
DISCOVERED TO EFFECTIVELY ATTACK THE CAUSE OF ROSACEA.
I hope you remain patient with me, if at all posssible. Because of your open
minded help, I believe you have so far had a part in establishing this, however
long it may take.
I can only thank you for that, and I definitely apologize, if I have led anyone
to think that I would say that receiving profit in any endeavor is evil. As we
all know, it is only when the profit motive overrules all other motives, that
evil enters in. In all cases, "you will know them by their fruits".
God Bless,
Dave Fleming
Brady Barrows <brady.barrows@...
Dave,
Your implication is that making a profit
is evil in itself if it is the 'only'
motive. Discerning whether a treatment
for rosacea is the ONLY motive for a
profit is quite a feat. Can you give an
example since you are so enthusiastic
about this? What example of a treatment
for rosacea do you have that is ONLY
profit for a motive? I think you cannot
come up with even one. If we could agree
on an example you would have a starting
point or standard which you could
develop your argument. However,
profit is a factor in probably EVERY
treatment for rosacea. There are two
'cures' claimed for rosacea on my web
site LINKS page other than yours.
One is a 'cure' claimed by Ron Tramontano
and another by Frank Boyd. Can you
determine whether either 'cure' is only
for profit? How can you determine this?
What if both are sincerely trying to help
rosaceans and the results are satisfactory
to some rosaceans? As you can see you
are not the only one claiming a 'cure.'
And no doubt there are others I am not
aware about or will join in the claim to
'cure' rosacea sometime in the future. I
hope others will let me know about any
other 'cure' for rosacea since I have
the commercial clearinghouse of information
on rosacea. Or a person can go to the
website that claims to be THE non-profit
site for information on rosacea, the
NRS. But notice that the treatments
promoted on the NRS site are commercial
treatments by physicians and pharmaceutical
companies making a profit on rosacea.
It is legal and ethical to make a profit
on disease. Doctors do it. Hospitals do it.
Pharmaceutical companies do it. For those who have
an issue with making a profit on disease,
I have made a profit statement on my
web site at this url
http://www.rosaceans.com/html/profit.html
OneLove claims not to be making any

With rosacea I need to stay out of the sun with my face.7 years with
rosacea.Broken vessels,extreme redness when in the sun. However,the
rest of by body is tanned well this year so I'm looking a little of
kilter, so to speak, with a white face. And I don't want to
continually wear makeup in the summer again. I'd like to use a self
tanner but I'm not sure what product is the best for rosacea suffers.
Has anybody used self tanner with good results on thier face.The only
two products I've used for sun blocks,makeup ect are Clinique and
Neutrogena. Suggested by dermatologists. Need of some help for summer
enjoyment not embarassment.

Hi Kris,
You mentioned you had PDL surgery done - in the
Chicago area? You did it for you? I am in Iowa and am
thinking of having it done. My impresion is that it is
a premanent fix for the redness and breaking out. Is
this true or is my imagination creating an appealing
story? And now you are just wanting to reverse the
vein damage that was previously done with Photoderm?
If you are interested in going as far as DesMoines, I
highly recommend the clinic I went to. The phone
number and such is in an email I sent to the group
last night. Keep in mind if you go the Tylenol 3 route
(which it is hard for me to imagine how anyone could
NOT take it and stand the treatments), you can't
drive for 8 hours afterwards. I tried driving after 7
and felt I was a hazard on the highway and after that
one time I just didn't drive on that day after
treatments. So, if you take the stuff, get someone to
drive you. Also, when you go, take ice packs - those
blue gel packs you can stick in the freezer. And take
a heavy duty sunsceen and a hat. I got one of those
sunsceens you can stick in a car window also because
you can really feel like you are on fire afterwards.
Deb

Deb--
I, too, had photoderm (actually my treatments were under the IPL brandname)
and it helped immensely. However, you mention surgery in your email. Do you
remember the type of surgery suggested to you?
Thanks for your post.

Dave,
Your implication is that making a profit
is evil in itself if it is the 'only'
motive. Discerning whether a treatment
for rosacea is the ONLY motive for a
profit is quite a feat. Can you give an
example since you are so enthusiastic
about this? What example of a treatment
for rosacea do you have that is ONLY
profit for a motive? I think you cannot
come up with even one. If we could agree
on an example you would have a starting
point or standard which you could
develop your argument. However,
profit is a factor in probably EVERY
treatment for rosacea. There are two
'cures' claimed for rosacea on my web
site LINKS page other than yours.
One is a 'cure' claimed by Ron Tramontano
and another by Frank Boyd. Can you
determine whether either 'cure' is only
for profit? How can you determine this?
What if both are sincerely trying to help
rosaceans and the results are satisfactory
to some rosaceans? As you can see you
are not the only one claiming a 'cure.'
And no doubt there are others I am not
aware about or will join in the claim to
'cure' rosacea sometime in the future. I
hope others will let me know about any
other 'cure' for rosacea since I have
the commercial clearinghouse of information
on rosacea. Or a person can go to the
website that claims to be THE non-profit
site for information on rosacea, the
NRS. But notice that the treatments
promoted on the NRS site are commercial
treatments by physicians and pharmaceutical
companies making a profit on rosacea.
It is legal and ethical to make a profit
on disease. Doctors do it. Hospitals do it.
Pharmaceutical companies do it. For those who have
an issue with making a profit on disease,
I have made a profit statement on my
web site at this url
http://www.rosaceans.com/html/profit.html
OneLove claims not to be making any

So, it looks like I am not able to send photos to the
group, so I just emailed them to Brady. Maybe he can
post them or put them on his site. Deb

Sorry, hope this works this time.Deb

Marilyn,
Thanks for the clarification on the 30
days. I was referring to your last post
to OneLove only. As to discussing
diet and rosacea, there is no rule not
to discuss it in this group since it is
obvious that OneLove has triggered
this thread. I just don't push the
Rosacea Diet in this group. I think
OneLove's group is where rosaceans
in this group should go to discuss
that diet, and I have formed a group
based on my book for those who
want to discuss rosacea and diet.
Most discussion in this group has
been on topical and oral treatments
for rosacea whether prescription or
non-prescription and rarely on diet.
That is the purpose of the rosaceans

Hi,
So here are my before and after photos I promised to
send. I don't have makeup on in either picture. My
coloring actually looks better in person than in the
mug shot my husband took of me this morning, but the
camera doesn't show that. Photoderm has been a real
blessing for me. I went to a clinic in DesMoines,
Iowa. Trudy, who is a nurse did my sessions. She was
great and I highly recommend her. In fact the whole
staff is great. I always felt like they were welcoming
me into their home. She works for Dr Hill, a plastic
surgeon. Their toll free number is 800-588-6223. If
you call, tell them I sent you!
The treatments were painful, but not as painful as
rosacea. After the first treatment I took Tylenol 3
before the treatments. I also put on a topical
painkiller. I was pretty much drugged out the rest of
the day and slept. I was red and swollen for a week or
two, but then it was like Christmas as my skin started
to clear. It was as if my former pre-rosacea skin was
coming to the surface. What a thrill, and I mean a
thrill! I went for a treatment once every 3-4 weeks
and did a total of 10. It was painful and I looked
forward to every single one of them. They cost $250.
each, which is a pretty good price from what I have
read and they were worth every penny. I am still
extremely careful with my diet and put on sunscreen
after my moisturizer everyday, whether or not I go
out. I wear a hat. I can get some slight breaking out
if I even eat too many green vegetables, so when I say
careful with my diet, I mean CAREFUL! I am considering
the surgery someone just said he got as this is a
progressive condition and I will have to get touchups.
I was told I will need a touchup in 8 months or so. My
last treatment was in October and I am planning on
getting a touchup in late April before it gets too hot
here. (You have to be extra, extra careful after
treatments so I want to beat the heat, so to speak.)
Any questions are welcome. I wrote more about the
actual experience in past emails, so look back aways
and you can read that. Hope this helps. Deb

Hi Brady
I did mention the 30 days a few times in other posts.
I realize that it is for 30 days only.
I,ve said that repeatedly.
As for the rosacea diet,,I,ll discuss that at the rosacea diet forum then.
I just got on the topic because Onelove asked me what diet I follow and what has
been the reason for my success.
I also stated that many rosaceans have their rosacea under control BECAUSE of
YOUR diet!
Its all in my posts.
I didnt know I was not allowed to discuss DIET in this forum.
I know now
Bye for now
Marilyn

Morning All,
I've been in the group for months but never written. My time this morning
is short but do want to say that this group never ceases to amaze
me...sharing ideas and neverending support that we can all appreciate giving
this wretched condition we've found ourselves in. Upon reading Dr. Nase's
publication, I have become especially interested in Photoderm. A month ago
I had PDL surgery with good results but now would like to find a local
(Chicago) Photoderm specialist. Other than referrals from my derm, are
there any websites with such information? Your help is greatly appreciated.
Good day,
Kris Koch

OneLove,
I commend you for forming this group and
hope the best for you. Those who wish to
further discuss this subject should post

Marilyn,
The only part you left out is that my diet
is for only thirty days. There is no possible
health risks in this diet for thirty days. None.
AFTER the thirty days one can eat whatever
one wants to see their rosacea return.
The Rosacea Diet is simple method to control
rosacea and usually only takes thirty days.
I usually don't discuss diet in the rosaceans
group and post diet discussion in the
Rosacea Diet Users Support Group. In the RDUSG
everyone has modified the Rosacea Diet
according to their own individual rosacea
condition and share what insight they have
on diet with the group. The posts are open
to public reading. However, purchase of the
book is required to post a comment.
Brady

Hi,
Try Thera Tears eye drops. The preservative turns
into oxygen once it hits the eye. They are very safe
and work great! They are pricey, though--about 10.00
a bottle. I use them almost daily.
I found the recommendation in Dr. Nase's book. He has
a whole section on ocular rosacea.
--Shauna

Diets are important for our health, of course, but just
like everything else, it is up to the individual to find the
right fit. I'm still amazed at this former very energetic
and healthy coworker of mine that lives on potatoes and
cheese. Very odd, I think. Might haunt her later, but she
is happy and healthy. Never touches meat. My 96-year
old grandmother grew up as a Mennonite and has lived
on farm food (lots of butter and meat, but fresh-grown
vegetables) and supplements it with 2 gin and tonics.
She was living on her own and driving up to a year ago,
now lives with my mother and still has a very alert mind.
That same diet, however, probably killed her first
husband, who had a heart attack at 50.
Anyway, one thing I've noticed is a lot of people put
down Atkins, but don't really get the facts straight. Make
sure you read the Atkins for Life book before you think
you know it. There are several levels of carb intake. The
really low one is only for people trying to lose weight
and it is supposed to be temporary. The normal carb
Atkins diet is full of raw or cooked vegetables (actually
more vegetables than anything else). Basically,
imagine lots of salads, with a little protein, but just
cutting the bread and dessert intake down from the
normal American diet. Some fruits and vegetables are
supposed to be minimized because they are higher
carb, but there are plenty of others to consume. It is
also adamantly (sp?) against hydronated fats, which is
in about every processed food. So, most processed
foods are out. If you are a very careful shopper you can
find some breads, crackers, and cereals without it. It is
actually very healthy, at least compared to a normal
American diet. I had to switch to it because of a genetic
tendency towards very low blood sugar and it has made
a world of difference. I was eating what I thought was
very healthy before (no sugars, caffeine, very little
processed food) but the amount of grains I was
consuming was upsetting my blood-sugar level to a
dangerous level. So for me it is a good fit. I don't do the
extremely low one for losing weight, but if someone is
obese, I'm sure it would improve their health. I also
believe it helped my rosacea a lot. I rarely have flares
anymore (burning redness). The only redness I can't
quite escape is when I bikeride. But I'll live with it
because I love to ride.
Find a diet that fits you, but remember that it won't fit
everyone.
Anne

I have had rosacea for a long time and tried the ignore route before
it became real bad. Big Mistake...........I have done the Rosacea
Diet for 2 mos and I believe that it helps as I did not flare real
bad at all until I started experimenting and increasing my carb
intake. When I kept sugars low and carbs below 50 my skin is not
perfect but I look acceptable and I am not embarrassed as I am when I
flare real bad. When I flare I get bad red raccoon circles under my
eyes. My nose and cheeks and chin flare up real red and I get some
pastules. My skin on the outside corners of my eyes gets real dry as
do my eyes and they burn a little particularly after looking at my
computer all day. I am fearful that rosacea has invaded my eyes
(Ocular rosacea)
WHAT KIND OF EYE DROPS ARE GOOD. I understand that the (Get the Red
Out) eye drops are not that good as they constrict blood vessels.
Headed to an opthamologist..

I am new to rosaceans, but not new to rosacea. I'm 34 and have
had it now for about 6 years. I used to use Metrocream, along
with a topical steroid to control breakouts, until I became
addicted to the steroid cream, and now have rebound steroid
rosacea. My derm is weaning me off the steroid, and switched
me to clenia wash and cream. Anyone had any success with it?
Thanks
Lori

Debbie, I would really like to see your before and after pictures, would you
be able to email them to me? Thanks in advance.

Dear Friends
I have decided to start a new discussion group called The Rosacea Cure.
Everyone is invited.

Yes, I had people say that about my cheeks also. But
they didn't have to live with the itching and the heat
and raw feeling. And they didn't say that when it
overtook my whole face. It was funny, some people
thought it looked healthy and then other people, ev en
total strangers(!), would come up to me and ask if I
had rosacea, or would ask what was wrong with my skin.
I keep meaning to write up and send in my photos of
my skin before , during, and after lazer treatments,
but haven't gotten around to it. The clinic I went to
said that I was the worst case they had even seen.
There's my claim to fame...anyway, at least they told
me that after I had made a lot of progress. In fact I
made the most rapid progress of anyone they had
treated. Certain types of skin react to treatment more
quickly than others. I am very fair skinned and
freckle a little. I think the success was partly due
to the fact I am very careful with diet and as the
veins and redness disappeared I wasn't fighting it
with my diet. I experienced more success with the diet
as my skin improved and have a bit more flexability
now with what I eat. They even put me in an
advertisement. So I am a covergirl?! I went through a
series of 10 treatments and will be able to go for 8
months before needing a touchup treatment. I highly
recommend it.
Something that really helped me when I was figuring
out my basic diet was to keep a food journal. I really
resisted this in the beginning. It just seemed so
unnatural and controling. But I finally realized that
it wasn't working to eat like others do, so broke down
and tried it. I also included if there were any
unusual stresses happening on that day, like
international flights, late nights, getting overheated
at a friend's house, whatever. I also kept notes of
how my skin was doing that day. This sounds so time
consuming, but I made a little chart for myself so I
could make the process quick and then wrote just quick
notes and it was really helpful. I had been finding
the experience of dealing with the rosacea so
overwhelming that I had little objectivity and I
needed to have a solid reference point. The journal
helped me look back and see what might have been a
trigger, and it helped me see how long it really took
for me to recover from an outbreak and helped me feel
like I could get a grip on what was going on. Very
valuable. Deb

to to this url
http://www.drnase.com
Brady

Brady,
Thanks again for all you do to keep the membership knowledgeable of cutting
edge information. Your diligence is recognized and appreciated.
Kori

The Rosacea Cure: A Natural Approach
This information is for those who suffer from rosacea and doctors
searching for a cure. In a sense, this is the magic bullet that people
have been searching for, although not in the form of a single pill,
ointment, or skin machine. This cure is based on removing the cause and
not the symptom. As long as people fail to treat the cause, the symptoms
will continue to exist. According to East Indian Ayurvedic medicne and
Chinese medicine, rosacea is caused by accumulated heat and toxins
inside the body.
When there is excess heat and toxins, the skin becomes a route for
eliminating these two items resulting in skin disorder. The primary
causes for heat and toxins are inappropriate diet, stress, and negative
emotions. These factors congest the liver and gallbladder disrupting
their normal functioning. Heat and toxins overflow from these organs
into the blood, which rises to the face affecting the skin. Why some get
rosacea and others do not with the same factors, is due to individual
metabolism.
The cure according to eastern medicine is to remove heat and toxins from
inside the body at the root or source. According to ayurveda, the seat
of heat is the small intestine, liver and gallbladder. The cure is
outlined in the procedures below. In effect, this process is like
pulling a weed out by the root. The weed will not grow back unless you
plant a new seed in the form of inappropriate diet, stress, and negative
emotions. For those with no background in eastern medicine, these ideas
and procedures may seem foreign, unusual, and perhaps illogical.
However, there will come a time when this process is recognized as the
cure for rosacea in addition to other health issues.
As many rosacea suffers know, oral antibiotics and topical ointments
produce little or no results and essentially suppress the body's natural
mechanism for eliminating heat and toxins through the skin. This could
eventually result in a more serious health disorder in the body. An
analogy is like putting a lid on a pot of boiling water and not letting
the steam to escape.
The procedures have been informally tested and produce a cure. It is up
to others to formally document the validity of this information. I speak
from personal experience with rosacea and much personal research. I am a
private person and choose to remain anonymous. I am not connected
monetarily with any of the authors, products, or services referenced. I
am not making any money from this information, although I may someday
write a book about this healing process. My satisfaction comes from
knowing this information will help people. If you have any questions, I
can be reached at The Rosacea Cure discussion group below.
Primary Treatment Procedures
The two primary treatment procedures for curing rosacea are Ayurvedic
Cleansing and Liver Cleansing. You can choose one of the two or both. Do
not do both cleanses at the same time. The ayurvedic cleanse lasts 8
days and is spaced 2 weeks apart. The liver cleanse takes 6 days of
preparation, 1 day of cleansing and is spaced 3 weeks apart. The liver
cleanse may be seen as more powerful and thorough. How many cleanses are
required for a cure will depend on the amount of heat and toxins inside
your body. A general estimate would be to allow 2 to 3 months for a
complete cure.
Once cured through internal cleansing, a health supporting diet
according to your ayurvedic body type will maintain the cure. Do not
expect the cure to last if you plan to return to a modern diet high in
animal meat, homogenized pasteurized dairy products, fried foods,
saturated fat, refined white sugar, and refined white flour. The added
benefit of this healing process is that besides curing rosacea, you will
also be building the foundation for longevity and the prevention of
disease
Ayurvedic Cleansing
The primary way to remove heat from the small intestine is through what
ayurveda calls panchakarma cleansing. Pancha means five, karma means
action. It is in reference to the five cleansing actions. In this case,
it is the action of purgaton. Heat and toxins are first dislodged with
oil massage from the deep tissues, then they are moved to the small
intestine by the application of steam heat, normally a steam cabinet
box, then they are removed or purged from the small intestine with
purgative herbs, or the ingestion of castor oil.
Normally, panchakarma is administered by a trained clinician in a
clinic. An abbreviated and economical home treatment can be done by
oneself which is sufficient for rosacea. The instructions are in The
Complete Book of Ayurvedic Home Remedies by Dr. Vasant Lad. On the last
day use castor oil instead of triphala for a thorough purgation.
Standard dosage is 3 teaspoons of castor oil followed by 2 ounces of
warm soy milk mixed with 1/2 teaspoon ginger powder taken before sleep.
The ginger powder is important to prevent cramping. Once cured, do
panchakarma cleansing once every spring and fall for maintenance.
Liver Cleansing
The most powerful and specific method to cleanse the liver and
gallbladder is found in the book The Amazing Liver Cleanse by Andreas
Moritz. Compared to other liver cleanses, his is by far the most sound.
It is similar to purgation of panachkarma, but more thorough in
completely removing stones. An article describing this cleanse can found
at his website below.
Andreas Moritz Website http://www.ener-chi.com/liver.htm
Supporting Treatment Procedures
Blood Cleansing
To assist the procedures above, cleansing the blood of heat and toxins
is accomplished with herbs like burdock root and dandelion root. Some
formulas are Blood Cleanse tablets by BanyanBotanicls.com and Yellow
Dock Skin Cleanse tablets by PlanetaryFormulas.com A general dosage is 3
tablets 3 times per day with some warm water.
Diet
You will need to eat a diet according to your ayurvedic body type to
help cure the rosacea, and to prevent it from coming back. Proper
digestion, assimilation, and elimination is key in preventing undigested
food from accumulating in the body and becoming toxic. Diet centers
around cooked grains, legumes, vegetables, and fruit, with proper spices
and herbs. The diet is very nourishing, balanced, satisfying, and not
bland. Also it does not leave one feeling hungry or produce food
cravings. If you are habituated to eating a bad diet, then it may take
some re-adjustment.
The diet details are found in Ayurvedic Healing by Dr. David Frawley,
Perfect Health by Dr. Deepak Chopra, Ayurvedic Cooking by Dr. Vasant Lad
and Heavens Banquet by Miriam Kasin Hospodar. A complete Food Guidelines
chart is in Ayurvedic Cooking by Dr. Vasant Lad or found free at
ayurveda.com You can determine your specific body type through the
question and answer lists in the above books. For some people,
consulting with a practitoner of ayurveda may be required to precisely
determine your body type.
When done cleansing, take 1 to 2 Acidophilus capsules for a few months
to restore healthy flora in the colon. Also in relation to food are aloe
vera and coconut. Both these items have a cooling soothing nature and
can provide some minor temporary relief from heat. Aloe vera juice or
gel can be consumed internally, and the gel applied to the skin. Note
the taste tends to be bitter. Coconut juice is consumed internally and
the oil applied to the skin. Remember, organic food is always best.
In cultures that eat little or no animal meat, they make sure to include
warming spices and energy herbs in the diet. Animal meat has a warming
energy and the life energy of the animal. Vegetarian food generally has
a energy that is cool or neutral and energy not as high as animal meat.
To compensate for this, warming spices like Ginger, Turmeric, Cinnamon,
and Cardamom are added to the diet. For specific warming spices
according to your body type, see the chart in Ayurvedic Cooking by Dr.
Vasant Lad.
In terms of energy herbs, two primary ones are Ashwagandha (East Indian
Gingseng) and Siberian Ginseng (Eleuthero.) The easiest way to consume
Ashwagandha or Siberian Ginseng is in capsule, tablet, or tincture form.
A general adult dosage for either herb in tincture form is 1 to 2
teaspoons twice daily diluted in 5 teaspoons water with meals. Both
available from VitalityWorks.com If you wish to remove the alcohol in
the tincture, add boiling water and let cool. Chinese or Korean Ginseng
is classified as having a very hot energy and is not recommended for
people under age 50.
People who do not include these items in their vegetarian diet, will
tend to develop over time what Chinese medicine classifies as a cold,
damp, and deficient bodily constitution. This is indicated through pulse
diagnosis and tongue analysis. One experiences low energy and feeling
cold particularly during cold weather. In other words, a loss of health
and balance. One should have a yearly check up by a practitioner of
Ayurvedic or Chinese medicine to monitor your state of balance.
Heating and Congesting Foods
Initially, you will need to avoid heating foods until you cure the
rosacea with the above cleansing procedures. Heating foods are Animal
Meat, Alcohol, Vinegar, White Sugar, Chili Peppers, Cayenne, Onions,
Garlic, Black Pepper, Soy Sauce, Radish, Citrus, Tomato, most Spices,
Salt, Eggs, Artificial Ingredients, Ashwagandha, Ginseng. You will also
need to avoid the following congesting foods: Dairy Products, Oily Fried
Foods, Chocolate, Nuts, Seeds, and WhiteFlour. Those with a pitta (fire)
body type will need to avoid most of these foods all the time. Also
Caffeine, Coffee, Tobacco and Chlorine are to be avoided and are not
part of a health promoting diet.
Liver Regeneration
Liver regeneration is helped by Milk Thistle Seeds. Regular consumption
is also considered to protect the liver from environmental toxins.
Available in capsules, tablets, and tincture. The tincture is considered
the most potent. Make sure to evaporate the alcohol. See book Milk
Thistle by Jill Rosemary Davies. You can also lightly toast the seeds,
then grind the seeds into a fine meal with a food grinder. Sprinkle 1
teaspoon on food twice each day. Bulk organic seeds available from
PacificBotanicals.com
Chinese Medicine
Treatment from Traditional Chinese Medicine in the form of herbs,
accupunture, and cupping, can be beneficial, however the above
procedures will bring a lasting cure. Although not required, there is a
special de-congesting massage for the internal organs called Chi Nei
Tsang. See ChiNeiTsang.com and book Chi Nei Tsang: Internal Organs
Massage by Mantak Chia. Also there are special healing sounds for each
internal organ outlined in the book Transform Stress into Vitality by
Mantak Chia. All these measures will speed up the healing process.
Stress Reduction
Orient your life-style to reduce stress. Relaxation, meditation,
massage, yoga, walking, positive emotions, harmonious career and
relationship, are all important factors in reducing stress and
preventing health imbalance.
Reference Books
Ayurveda and Panchakarma - Dr. Sunil V. Joshi
Yoga and Ayurveda - Dr. David Frawley
The Yoga of Herbs - Dr. David Frawley
Live In the Balance - Linda Prout
Between Heaven and Earth - Harriet Beinfield
Panchakarma and Ayurvedic Massage - Dr. Avinash Lele (available from
VadikHerbs.com)
Resources
The Ayurvedic Institute http://www.ayurveda.com
The Raj http://www.theraj.com
The Chopra Center http://www.chopra.com
California College of Ayurveda http://www.ayurvedacollege.com
The Rosacea Cure Discussion Group

I discovered who the owner of internationalrosaceafoundation.org is:
Patricia Bradshaw
318 N Estes Dr
Chapel Hill, NC 27514
phone 919 942-8588
pbradwhaw@...
you can find yourself at register.com whois lookup.
I have emailed her asking about her organization's policy
on spending donated money and if the IRF is legally established
in NC as a non-profit organization.
Brady Barrows
group owner

Hi Marilyn
Thank you for taking the time to describe what has worked for you. I
love the name Hallelujah diet!
Many people who eat raw fruit and vegetables for a while start cleansing
out their body due to the cleansing nature of these foods and feel great
because of it. Logically, this leads them to feel that a raw food diet
is the type of diet they should eat every day. In ayurveda a similar
type of cleansing diet is employed. However it is only used for a short
period of time. Then what is called a building diet is eaten after
cleansing.
Ayurveda says it takes an extremely strong digestive fire which most
people do not have to eat only raw foods. The raw food diet had some
exposure back in the early eighties, but people gave it up when they
started to loose their health over time. They ended up weak and frail.
The raw food diet I notice has become kind of trendy again amongst young
people. Unfortunately, I feel they will eventually have the same
experience as the others.
Also I am afraid many of the people following the vegan diet will
eventually loose their health if they do not supplement their diet with
warming spices, energy herbs and take into account the idea of what is
called "Yin" tonic foods and herbs. It is interesting that the dietary
concepts of eastern medicine have yet to be fully recognized, but things
are starting to change.
OneLove

Jennifer,
Have you gotten the Nase book yet? I found that a real
comfort - having a list of supplements that could help
and face products that would not advance the disorder,
and other info.
On the topic of diet again, I understand feeling like
it is easier to just not eat. I felt and same way for
so long. I have some sort of an allergy to dairy
myself, and have found how much and WHEN I can do it.
(like when there is no stress or late nights in my
schedule, stuf like that) It is a tricky situation,
but I do know my limits with the foods I eat now. I
occasionally try a new item, like I just tried onions
yesterday. I'll see how it goes. I guess I would say
that if you can stand it, it muight be helpful to
eliminate the dairy until you clear up and then you
can test it. I used to have this fantasy that I could
just not eat for a month or however long it took to
clear my skin and then I would try one food and then
not eat for several days and see if there was any
reaction, and then try another food, etc. Of course it
is a totally unrealistic idea and I never did it, but
I thought it many times. You can sort it out. If I
did, you can. I went through 10 lazer treatments also
which reversed the vein damage and put me in a much
more stable place with my skin. It took the pressure
off getting every little diet thing perfect because my
reaction is not as dramatic now. I felt less emotional
pressure, relaxed a bit, and that has helped me more
than I can tell you. Even with a very very strict
diet, I still was very red and had lots of rash. If I
went off the diet it just got more scary looking. I am
an extreme case though. Deb

Hi Pam
Im sorry that heat really does a number on you.
My heart goes out to you.
****Do you wear high sunscreen protection and a hat?***
If so does it help?
I know Texas is hot but so is Canada in the summer,.
We are in the thick of it right now.
VERY humid and hot.
It was 34 yesterday!!
Heat has NEVER made me flush,quite the opposite.(I know,Im a weird case!) LOL
But really,,,,so many folks take so much for granted like working in their
garden in the HOT sun!
Did you read Dr.Nase,s story?
Wow.
When he was really bad he would flush up if his girlfreind just sat close to
him.
The body heat made him RED!
Poor man.
Im so glad he has his rosacea under control now and I hope you do soon too!.
And Im happy that you agree about the TOXINS!
Marilyn

Jamara.....you are so lucky you can go outside where I am in Texas with
the heat and humidity it feels like a 100 degrees plus most of the time
in summer!! I am an avid gardener so this hurts in a big way!! HEAT
tears me up....within seconds I am on fire!! I am not too sure this
weather would agree with you....when I lived in Georgia it did not
bother me as bad. It can depend on your type of rosacea... and your
geological location how much it effect your rosacea.
HEAT is definitely not our friend!! I only wish that it did not effect
my rosacea. The acitivities I use to take for granted are now precious
to me!! Just be thankful you do not have to worry about that part of
rosacea.
I also believe toxins and diet are a big part of rosacea. I am glad we
are talking about these subjects.
Pam

Group:
Just got an email from Michael Smith, Director of the International Rosacea
Foundation,
a non-profit organization 'whose mission is to gather in one place, available
information
found on the web, in books and articles and recent research studies concerning
Rosacea. Our goal is to learn more about this chronic but often little-known and
misunderstood disorder that effects millions worldwide. Because of its
red-faced, acne-
like effects on facial skin, it can cause considerable psychological, social and
occupational problems if left untreated.'
The url is
http://internationalrosaceafoundation.org
I have checked it out and it is comprehensive and follows many of the basic
categories as my commercial web site, but has a much more comprehensive list on
the ingredients of rosacean non-prescription treatments. More important are the
following statements in the LIFESTYLE RECOMMENDATIONS page:
"...Stimulants such as... excessive sugar from sweets and soda are vascular
dilators and
should be avoided. Sodas (soft drinks, pop) containing aspartame and or
NutraSweet
cause excessive redness in approximately 30% of rosacea sufferers and should be
avoided....Rosacea redness is partially caused by high calorie carbohydrates
(pastas,
breads) and sugar spiking from all sweet foods...."
Finally a 'rosacea organiztion' has confirmed what I have been saying
for over four years! Wonder where they got this idea? The National Rosacea
Society will probably be acknowledging this soon!
I have asked Mr. Smith what the policy of his organization is on spending
and hope that it is better than Sam Huff's organization that spends 90% of
the donated money on administration.
Enjoy the site and let me know your thoughts.
Brady Barrows

Hi Onelove.
To give you the SHORT version I basically do the Hellelujah diet.
www.hacres.com/home.asp
This diet is in total *conflict* with Brady,s rosacea diet.(will get to that in
a minute)
Testominials are in the THOUSANDS,,not only for skin problems like acne and
rosacea but for just about every ailment or disease that palgues mankind.
The FACT is we NEED RAW foods for proper health.
Fruits and veggies.whole grains.Lots of PURE water.
Our earth is so depleted of minerals today that a balanced diet no longer
provides what we NEED.
Fact.
Now,,,I do not follow this 100% of the time.
I am a vegetarian but not a vegan.
I will eat *free range* eggs,cheese in moderation,and I do drink goat milk(world
of difference from cow,s milk)
I had take out pizza last week with a ginger ale.
I ate a chocolate bar after that(bad fo summer diet I know) LOL
I can eat like that without any problems.
I also eat LOTS of *tomato,s* which seems to be a HUGE *trigger* for many here.
Now,,,,for herbs and vitamins,,,,,I take
*acidophilus
*Grape seed extract
*milk thistle/aloe vera/green tea herbal drink called NUTRA-Q(wonderful for
cleansing)
*sublingual B12,B6 and folic acid formula
*And I just started taking a SUPER power juice called Nutragenix.
It is loaded with anti-oxidants,MSM(1000mg)bioflavonoids,vitamins and minerals
in a base of noni juice,aloe vera juice(certified organic) and dark
purple,blueberry and optiberry juices.
That is basically it.
Now here is where I am different than MOST here.
Many here cannot have lots of sugar in ANY form including NATURAL sugars.
That means orange juices,apple,s honey,grape juice etc,,,.
I can.
If you have read Brady,s diet the KEY to controlling rosacea is to eat no more
than 30grams of carbs a DAY(very hard to do)and NO sugar.
Brady,s diet is basically The Atkins diet with maybe a few minor differences,but
the overall plan is the same.
Reduce carbs and eat no sugar.
With the Helleluja diet,the daily intake of carbs is HIGH(even though it is
through NATURAL sugars,not refined,processed stuff)
I am used to a high carb diet due to all my carrot/apple juicing.LOL
Not to mention whole grain breads,muffins,etc,,.
Brady,s diet and The Atkins Diet advocate HIGH protein with VERY little if any
fruit.(you can only have so many carbs)
This is where my concern is.
That is WHY Brady recommends that you DO take some form of NUTRITIONAL
SUPPLEMENTS that you are MISSING from not eating fruits and veggies!.
Now before I say this,,,Brady dont be hurt by this and others dont be SHOCKED.
Brady,s diet HAS helped many rosaceans.
He is to be commended for his book.
But (me) personally have never made it a secret that I do not believe in the
Atkins diet(the virtual elimination of RAW foods that our bodies NEED to fight
off disease.
It is actually against everything I believe in.lol
I,ve made it known.
Thats ok.
Most people here *respect* others opinions and we can all agree to disagree
sometimes.
Like,,,IN Brady,s book it says that you can eat ALL the cheese you want as it is
low in carbs.
But what about the FAT?
Have you ever tried to scrape off cheese from a frying pan?
That is what it does in your BODY!(sorry Brady but I have to say this,LOL)
The same with egg yokes which is why I only eat them in moderation.
Now,,,Why is it that *I* can drink all these HIGH CARB fruit juices while many
here cannot?
Why is it that for a clear complexion it is well KNOWN that JUICING is the way?
So,,Like you Onelove,,I do believe rosacea is about toxins in our bodies.
REFINED SUGARS AND BLEACHED WHITE BREADS ARE POISONS TO OUR BODIES!
What happend when we eliminate them?
I DO believe that *refined sugars* CAN and DO set off rosacea SYMPTOMS as Brady
says in his book BUT I believe there is a BIGGER picture here as do you Onelove.
Well,,Im sorry if I rambled.
I just wanted to let you know my diet,my thoughts and where I am coming from.
Brady,s book has helped many rosaceans for those who have STUCK to it.
But I guess I am coming at ALL aspects of my health not just my COMPLEXION.
I am concerned with preventing breast cancer(tons of cheese wont help)lack of
CALCIUM,heart disease,etc(high fats wont help) etc,,,.
Im concerned with emotional.spiritual health as well as PHYSICAL health.
The whole package.
I am sure that people e-mail each other about others on the forum.
I personally never do.
I can imagine what *some* may think of you and I Onelove with our all NATURAL
approach.
This stuff would adspecially seem sceptical to those who believe in the
derms,pills and lotions.(and no other)
But I tell you,,,I have been in remission for two plus years so it does not
matter to me what others think.
What I have done has worked and I have absolutely NO side effects from
drugs,botched surgery etc,,,.
I read of one procedure where they stop you from SWEATING.
I forget the name.
Now,,,,sweating is a NATURAL function.
If we do not SWEAT we do NOT release toxins form our bodies and DISEASE will
develop.
But some rosaceans have gone for this *extreme* surgery and they lived to tell
the horror stories afterwards.
That is so sad.
OK,,I went on long enough.
Sorry folks.
Bye for now
Marilyn

Marilyn, I wanted to ask you what type of diet and which herbs lead to
your success? Thank you in advance!
original messsage
Im happy for your success Onelove!
I too have been symptom free for two years.
And it because of diet and herbs.
Those are just the facts.
Bye for now
Marilyn

Greetings Marilyn
Why are you not blushing in hot weather when theoretically you should be?
It is because how the energy in your body is flowing.
Everyone has a unique energetic make up due to body type, individual
metabolism, and lifestyle.
In both ayurveda and chinese medicine, pulse diagnosis is used to
determine your energetic makeup and current state of balance or
imbalance.
Pulse diagnosis gauges the strength and weakness of each internal organ
and how energy flows between them.
It takes training and many years to master.
Pulse diagnosis and questions about your lifestyle would indicate the
precise mechanics behind what you are experiencing.
Perhaps your focus on dealing with rosacea is beginning to pay off.
OneLove

Hi Onelove and all.
You know its funny I never look so good as in the HOT SUMMER!
I jsut came back from work( a fairly hot and sweaty job)
Then I sat in the back yard(under a tree but still a VERY hot day) and my skin
is GLOWING!
Im not even *pink*!
Now,,,I have a theory on this( at least for ME)
In the winter when it is VERY cold and I am indoors much of the time that is
when I really need some extra vitamins,or a window open.
Why?
It is a well known FACT that INDOOR air is worse for you than OUTDOOR air.
I have studied this for the last year.
Its a fact.
Women who work inside the home have a 54% HIGHER chance of getting cancer than
those who work OUTSIDE the home.
It is a undisputed fact.
*MOST* of these toxins (in our home)can be GREATLY ELIMINIATED by using ONLY
*NON-TOXIC* enviromentally safe CLEANING PRODUCTS,,,,NOT the store bought stuff
with ammonia,bleach,butyl,phosphates(found in laundry detergent) etc,,,,,
But that is another topic.LOL
I open the door frequently in the winter to let AIR in the house.
I did that a lot last winter which was VERY cold and I had not one reaction on
my face!.
But keep me indooors with no clean air for weeks and I get blotchy!
So,,,,It seems that for ME when I am outside my skin looks BEST!
Heat does not make me flush.
Never has.
And I swear I look better from the SUN!
I would like to hear Onlove,s opinion on that as she believes strongly(as do I)
that rosacea is caused by TOXINS in our bodies and liver.
Thanks and have a great day everyone!
Marilyn

I think Brady mentions Protein Power and SugarBusters in his book.
I read the Fat Flush Plan, and found it to be helpful as well. Same
concept re: low carbs and no sugar - the author is a nutritionist.
I've yet to hear of any rosacean who had problems with Zia (found in
most health food stores), its very mild. If you want to stick with
drugstore stuff - your derm prob would recommend Cetaphil or Eucerin
products.
--- In rosacea-diet-users-support-

I find Zia gel works well. It is extracted from seaweed
and very gentle on the skin
www.ziacosmetics.com

Thank you for the responses.
I am seriously considering the diet the more I read of it. I still
feel like I need to read some more and purchase some more books for
me to be completly comfortable in trying it.
One more question I have is what kind of moisterizers and soaps are
good to use other than the stuff the Derms. perscribe?
Thanks Again
LISA

I say, "have a heart". I believe that (deadprez017) is the same as, or related
to, (MARCHEFALO@...), who is perhaps the group-owner of

Jacy,
I've also used Benadryl many times for burning and itching but for
the redness I usually apply a cool cloth to my face and re-cool it
as soon as it feels starts to feel warm. It works great!
Mora

Like everyone else, it will take time and education for you to
realize that what most derms have to offer won't help much with your
skin, its no different than any other organ in your body, and
responds how we take care of it. Unfortunately, the medical
community hasn't caught up to this fact yet. Our bodies are
extremely sensitive to what we eat. Your derm will not have
positive things to say about the rosacea diet bec he/she is not
enlightened to it, other than avoid spicy foods and alchohol. Most,
if not all us, realized at some point that doctors are not gods, and
in terms of nutrition, actually know very very little. The current
food pyramid is good example of this - its all carb loading.
The Rosacea Diet is really learning to purge refined foods and sugar
from your diet, essentially you're learning a better way of eating
and where your real intolerances are.
Why don't try the diet for 30 days, if it doens't work, then go back
to the meds.
--- In rosacea-diet-users-support-

Don't know if this will help, but I had a friend who increased her
dairy intake (she's a non-rosacean) and she started getting red
splotches on her face. Her esthestician instructed her that tooo
much dairy is bad for your skin, esp cheese. Personally, I don't
eat a lot of dairy becase of the lactose (another form of sugar, I
belive) because I noticed my face gets more sensitive. As an
experiment, you can always cut back on the dairy and see ifyour skin
improves.
--- In rosacea-diet-users-support-

Hi folks
A warning should ALWAYS be issued first.
Then if they do comply you can do something.
Some people just dont know any better.
Marilyn

I have been wondering about the dairy I am eating. I was not a big
dairy eater and now to stay on the diet I am eating more dairy. Will
this effect my face. sometimes I think the redness is better but I
have dots on my face. Is this because I couldn't see the dots before
through the redness or am i getting pimples from the dairy
Jennifer

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Just FYI to my own post...after I got home and my face was still very irritated
I took 2 Benadryl. The red didn't change but the burning and itching
dramatically decreased within 15 minutes. Now it may have been on the way to
doing that anyway, so I am not sure how much the Benadryl helped, but it was the
first time I tried it with the burning and itching. Something to keep in mind
the next time. And I am sure there will be a next time.
Hugs,
Jacy

Wish I had a solution. So far, I've only had the burning on occasion.
Maybe it's that there is inflammation that presses on the facial
nerves? that causes the pain? Have you tried taking antihistamines? Or
maybe a topical benadryl cream might lessen any inflammation and
hopefully lessen pain? Hope it goes away!!!
Pam in D.C.

Lisa,
My legal disclaimer answers this at the beginning of the book.
You should consult with your doctor about this. However,
ultimately you have the right to decide what treatment or
medication a doctor prescribes whether to accept or decline.
The Rosacea Diet for thirty days poses no risks and should
work well with whatever your doctor prescribes, whether it
is a soap, cream, gel, antibiotic, or whatever.
Brady Barrows
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 12:50 PM, krazykats75

I did a short bio and relized that it was real short and didnt
explain my situation with Rosacea, So I thought I would try again.
My name is Lisa and I will be 28 next month. I was diagnosed with
Rosacea a couple of weeks ago and bought the Rosacea Diet book the
next day. I have read up to pg.25 and feel like im confused on what I
should do. I have the Doctor giving me a diet,soap and medication of
one kind and the book is saying another. I understand that alot of
people are going by the diet in the book and its working for them. I
guess what I want to know is should I keep doing the soap and
medication and do the diet, or stop and just try the diet for 30 days?
Thanks for listening
LISA

Yeah, from a distance I just have rosy cheeks too!
I have some very good friends who have always called me Rosie because of that
(well, that and a rose tattoo).
Hugs,
Jacy

Hope I am posting correctly. Its been awhile...
Just wanted to let group know about positive experience I am
having with IPL treatments. I went last August for my first. Didn't
return for another until yesterday because of the 3-hour drive. I
had a severe case of rosacea when I went in August, with
"permanent" postules and redness. After the first treatment, the
postules disappeared and redness lessened by about 60%. I only
had a slight backslide during those 10 months in between with a
few outbreaks of postules this spring during "that time of month"
which subsided. When I went yesterday, I had the level of rosacea
that can be covered with makeup only: red spots under the skin, no
postules, no burning, unless I goof with a new skin cream or drink
coffee. I looked a whole lot better than the before pictures he took.
This doctor who I had to drive so far to visit is actually a plastic
surgeon, the only doctor in central and southern Viriginia with an
IPL machine. They are extremely expensive. He and his technician
are very friendly and seemed to have learned more since my last
visit. (They mentioned training with Dr. Weiss at Hopkins in
Baltimore.) The cost is $300.
Of course, during the last year I have made other changes, such as
those supplements and facial products recommeded by Dr. Nase
in his book as well as recognizing and avoiding my triggers
(coffee, alcohol, etc.) so it is not IPL alone, of course. The doctor
reminded me that he is just treating the effects of rosacea, it is up
to me to treat the causes. He did have some interesting tidbits of
information for me to think about. He is not a derm, so he did not
pretend to be an expert. I told them I have immediate itching,
burning flares with coffee, hot, cold, decaf or other, but not tea. He
and his tech suggested carmel coloring (I don't drink sodas).
Carmel coloring in coffee beans??? The tech said yes. They also
suggested wheat allergies, which I have been suspecting I have
for awhile because of digestive problems, but have been in denial
since avoiding wheat while feeding a family of 4 seems like a huge
undertaking. The technician also let me know that UV rays
through car windows are worse than directly in sun, because of
some magnification/reflections, and she slathered me up with sun
screen for the ride home. I always feel like it was worth the effort
when I also learn new things, and I thought I knew a lot from all the
reading I'd been doing.
My resolution now is to buy the Rosacea Diet book, and be more
stringent with my diet. Doing a little at a time makes it seem more
manageable. Also, I do not use any prescription creams (tried
them, didn't work), or use antibiotics (trying very hard to avoid that).
Right now I just look like a person with slightly rosy cheeks to my
husband, but I think his middle-aged vision is fuzzy, because I still
see some red spots under the skin, but many fewer than last week
and no permanent flush. In some light, you can't even see the red
spots. I look great from a distance of at least 5 feet!
Good luck to all,
Anne

Mike,
I explain in my book how to obtain Dr. Nase's book on page 197.
Or you can find it on my web site with other rosacea books
published at this url
http://www.rosaceadiet.com/html/books.html
Brady Barrows

I must admit, I am at a loss to help. The only thing I could point out, is that
I explored the possibility of adding lidocaine, (a topically applied pain
killer), to the (FLUCONAZOLE 1% SOLUTION), for the sake of anyone who might not
want to go through the temporary stinging, even to get rid of their rosacea, as
in:

Lee,
Hi, I'm back. My wife uses corn starch. One tablespoon
cotains 7 grams of Carbohydrates. During the THIRTY
DAYS corn starch is probited, but AFTER the thirty days
you may experiment with whatever. I have been able
to tolerate some corn starch and not get any flares. You
may also find that you can too.
Brady

I have added a bit of beaten egg which worked very
well as a thickener. If you don't keep stirring
though, you end up with bits of scrambled egg in
there. Deb

Dear fellow group members,
I am wondering if anyone has had the experience of having their
facial flushing and/or burning turn into actual facial pain? In the
past week I have had the experience that instead of burning, my face
starts to ache as if I have a migraine on my cheek where I normally
get the rosacea symptoms. The pain sometimes lasts for a couple of
hours.
My doctor says he has never had a patient with this kind of pain
before. Also wanted to know what things seemed to help get rid of
this besides diet.
I don't understand what is happening to me...? Help!
Debbi Sweet

For Those Who Are Concerned,
For those rosaceans who might want to find out why MDs sometimes make mistakes,
there is extensive information offered at (mercola.com). Today, I posted an
extensive list of (mercola.com) URLs, mostly covering the nature of the "MEDICAL
CLIMATE" that surrounds us.
It is at:

HI
I've been trying to figure out how to satisfy my 'hankering' for gravy
without using flour or corn startch. I've tried flax seed powder and
lethicin and didn't like the taste. Yesterday I took pan drippings, added a
little water and stirred in some cream cheese with chives and the gravy was
yummy.
Does anyone have any other ideas about making gravy?
Lee

Thanks for the info Marcia. Deb
--- "Marcia <m.coakley@...

Dear Jacy
For the record, here is my short take on Hulda Clark.
People may be getting some results with what she prescribes because part
of what she prescribes is in accord with the principles of time tested
eastern medicine. The other part which is based on her own deluded
assumptions ranges from extremely questionable to dangerous. I think
cleansing for parasites with the proper herbs may have some value, but
she has taken it way too far. I won't get into dissecting her protocols
because it would take me too long. Take my word for it. I have been
studying health and eastern medicine for over 20 years and I am shocked
by some of the things she is doing. Yes, run the other way when you see
her name!
OneLove
The Rosacea Cure

I receive Dr Northrup's periodic messages...and she has just added a
substantial part