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In this seeming war of ideas, the first rule should be "Respect".
We have two people claiming a cure for Rosacea and we ALL know what works for
one may not work for another. And, it may be entirely possible, that for some a
combination of the two works. So, please, no name calling, no flaming, and
respect each other and the ideas and suggestions posted.
This list is a good forum for discussion and learning.
Let's all work to keep it that way.
Thanks.
Hugs,
Jacy

Hello Onelove
Im sorry for the nasty response that you recieved.
That was uncalled for.
And just to let you know,I have no problem reading your info and I *know* that
you are not trying to make *money* off it.
That is obvious so how can anyone say that?
But,maybe a few here are just concerned that you will be posting the same info
again and again like Dave had done(he meant well)and it annoys some people.lol
Some people think he was too over-zealous on the forum.
Now perhaps they think you will replace him.
I have my rosacea totaly under control through NATURAL DIET and I have been in
remission for two years.
I totally believe in diet,natural food,s certain herbs and
vitamins,excercise,lots of pure water and relaxation for stress!
This is just all common sense.
I dont know much about Ayurvedic medicine.
Im reading your info.
I wish you all the best with it and if it works for you GREAT!.
Many will not stick to something long enough to see if it works for them.
Just like Brady says in his ROSACEA DIET book.
Use some willpower for 30 days and see for yourself that you CAN control your
rosacea through diet!
No expensive creams,gels,laser therapy or pills.(some many need it if they are
severe)
Most wont even give it 30 days for their face.
As long as you are not trying to SELL anything I do not see where the problem is
here.
You are merely posting info from a different perspective.
My gosh are we not all here to help one another and learn from another?
Let Onelove say what she wants to as long as she is NOT spamming the forum or
trying to sell something(which she is not)
No one here has to try what she is suggesting,but I think she has the right to
post it.
By the way WELCOME to the forum!
Have a great day!
Marilyn

It is not a cleanser. Its just like Vaseline (clear, thick Jelly)
but no petrochemicals. so you would use it like vaseline, as barrier
or heavy duty moisturizer. If you use vaseline for a moisturizer,
then you would like Un-Petroluem. I also use it to seal cuts or
scraps, on my lips or dry patches.
--- In rosacea-diet-users-support-

Ghee, ("clarified" butter). You heat butter slightly, to a liquid, skim off the
opaque part, and voila! You got ghee! It looks a bit like urine, actually. They
usually give you some to dip your lobster meat in, and it's very popular in
India-type cooking.
I NEVER posted the same message twice. I have more respect for you all than
that. My dear Lord, how can you compare me to onelove, even in jest? :-)
I say tell onelove to love themself, first, before "loving" others. :-)
God Bless,
You Know Who, (yes I am still serious) :-)
Jamara <Jamara@...
Pam says I,ll pass on drinking Ghee.
What in the heck is Ghee???

Is un-petroleum good for cleansing....as in, to use as instead of soap or is it
more used for moisturizing after one washes one's face with a cleanser...?
I looked at the site and I was unclear on it...Thanks!
m-

Hello Jacy.
Onelove is not financially benefiting from her post .She is not SELLING anything
so I do not see this as advertising.
She is SHARING info with the forum some information she found.
She is only trying to help.
I dont see where she has done anything wrong.
Marilyn

The Cure for Rosacea: An Eastern Perspective
Please note this information is for those who suffer from rosacea and
doctors searching for a cure. I am not connected with any of the
authors, products, or clinics referenced. I am not making money from
this information. The protocols have been informally tested and work. It
is up to others to formally document the validity of this information. I
choose to remain anonymous.
From the perspective of East Indian Ayurvedic medicine, skin disorders
are due to heat and toxins in the body. When there is excess heat and
toxins, the skin becomes a route of eliminating heat and toxins
resulting in skin disorder. The primary causes for heat and toxins are
inappropriate diet, stress, and anger. Why do some get rosacea and
others do not with the same factors is due to individual metabolism.
Inappropriate diet, stress, and anger clog the liver and gallbladder.
Heat and toxins overflow from these organs into the blood which affects
the skin. The cure is to remove heat and toxins at the root or source.
The seat of heat is the small intestine plus liver and gallbladder.
Primary Treatment Protocols
Purgation Cleansing
The primary way to remove heat from the small intestine is through what
ayurveda calls panchakarma cleansing. Pancha means five, karma means
action. It is in reference to the five cleansing actions. In this case,
it is the action of purgaton. Heat and toxins are first dislodged with
oil massage from the deep tissues, then they are moved to the small
intestine by the application of steam heat, normally a steam cabinet
box, then they are removed or purged from the small intestine with
purgative herbs, or the ingestion of castor oil.
Ideally, panchakarma is administered by a trained clinician in a clinic.
See resources below. An abbreviated and economical home treatment can be
done by oneself. The complete instructions are in The Complete Book of
Ayurvedic Home Remedies by Dr. Vasant Lad. The purgation phase would be
to ingest 2 to 3 teaspoons of castor oil followed by 2 ounces of warm
soy milk mixed with 1/2 teaspoon ginger powder. The ginger powder is
important to prevent cramping.
Liver Gallbladder Cleansing
The most powerful and specific method to cleanse the liver and
gallbladder is found in the book The Amazing Liver Cleanse by Andreas
Moritz. Compared to other liver cleanses, his is by far the most sound.
It is similar to purgation of panachkarma, but more thorough in
completely removing stones. It will take a series of cleanses before the
liver and gallbladder are completely clean.
Andreas Moritz website http://www.ener-chi.com/liver.htm
Andreas Moritz forum http://www.curezone.com/forums/description.asp?f=157
Supportive Treatment Protocols
Blood Cleansing
Cleansing the blood of heat and toxins is accomplished with herbs like
burdock root and dandelion root. Some formulas are Blood Cleanse tablets
by BanyanBotanicls.com and Yellow Dock Skin Cleanse tablets by
PlanetaryFormulas.com A general dosage is 3 tablets 3 times per day with
some warm water.
Diet
You will need to eat a diet according to your ayurvedic body type to
help cure the rosacea and to prevent it from coming back. Strengthening
your digestion through ayurvedic principles is important. Proper
digestion, assimilation, and elimination is key to preventing undigested
food from toxifying the body. Diet should center around cooked grains,
legumes, vegetables, and fruit. The diet details are found in Ayurvedic
Healing by Dr. David Frawley, Perfect Health by Dr. Deepak Chopra,
Ayurvedic Cooking by Dr. Vasant Lad and Heavens Banquet by Miriam Kasin
Hospodar
Heating Foods
Initially, you will need to avoid heating foods until you cure the
rosacea with the above cleansing protocols. Heating foods are animal
meat, alcohol, vinegar, white sugar, chili peppers, onions, garlic,
pepper, soy sauce, radish, most spices, salt. You will also need to
avoid the following congesting foods: dairy products, oily fried foods,
chocolate, nuts and seeds, white flour. Those with a fire body type will
need to avoid most of these foods all the time.
Liver Regeneration
Liver regeneration is helped by Milk Thistle Seeds. Available in
capsules and tablets. See book Milk Thistle by Jill Rosemary Davies.
Bulk seeds available from PacificBotanicals.com or SFHerb.com
Chinese Medicine
Treatment from Traditional Chinese Medicine can be beneficial, however
the above protocols will bring a lasting cure.
Resources
The Ayurvedic Institute http://www.ayurveda.com
The Raj http://www.theraj.com
California College of Ayurveda http://www.ayurvedacollege.com
Additional Reading
Ayurveda and Panchakarma - Dr. Sunil V. Joshi
Panchakarma and Ayurvedic Massage - Dr. Avinash Lele (available from
VadikHerbs.com)
Yoga and Ayurveda - Dr. David Frawley
Transform Stress into Vitality - Mantak Chia
Chi Nei Tsang: Internal Organs Massage - Mantak Chia

I think its called the ECC - essential carb count - or something
like that, you substract the grams of fiber from your total fiber
count and that gives you the total amount of carbs you're actually
consuming. Works really well for breads. Some sprouted grains
breads have 15 grams of carbs with 5-6 grams fiber per slice -so
you're only eating like, 10-11 grams of carbs.
I can't confirm or deny the fiber carbs question...maybe some of the
other members can discuss that.

Hi Tom.......Some thoughts I had about your last email
For some of us a gradual effort to eliminating sugars and carbs is the only
way we can approach the rosacea diet. As for me, I was really shocked when I
started to evaluate my meals..for instance, I was consuming 150 carbs/sugars
just at breakfast time, so I charged ahead feverishly to bring my self down
to 30g/carbs and no sugars....It was very challenging. At the end of 30
days, I felt like Brady had given me the the keys to the kingdom of healthy
skin
Tomatoes, cheeses, vinegar are triggers for some of us, but not all. You may
do fine with these foods. Those foods do me in, the exception being non-aged
cheese.Recently there has been an online discussion about yogurt so go to the
emails for this month and read through them.
Also, go to page 14 in the book and read about flushing and blushing.
I learned that our foods need to be rotated on a daily basis...that eating
the same thing for a week/month ...too much of one thing consistently can
bring on something else to be challenged with.
I can't confirm or deny the fiber carbs question...maybe some of the other
members can discuss that.
You might glean alot of helpful info from the Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type.,
by D'Adamo, available at the library. When I read it, I learned I was
beginning and ending my day with herbs/foods that were compromising my
system. So working with that info and the rosacea diet has been a boon to me
healthwise.
Brady does say in his book, that some times it takes more than 30 days for a
person to achieve the benefits of the rosacea diet.
You have been doing so great to have eliminated sugar100% for the past
month...now just be creative and get those carbs down to 30g for a
month.....and keep in touch with us.
Lee

Lee,
Thanks for the reply. Yes, I've kept a very concise journal for the
past month or so. The problem is that there are so many things that
could have caused the outbreak and it's hard to know how far back to
look for offenders. I have dramatically reduced my carb intake, but
not to the 30 gram/day level. Since I've done this, I'm convinced
things have improved. I suppose I should try going all the way to the
30gram/day level.
Here are some of the things I ate a few days before the last breakout
that are on the list of triggers:
yogurt (my best guess)
tomatoes
cheese
dairy (I have been eating lots of cottage cheese and some milk)
By the way, some of the classic Rosacea trigger foods (like tomatoes
and cheese and vinegar) are in the Rosacea diet. Does Brady beleive
that these are not a problem? I've read the book, but don't recall if
he addressed that.
I suppose the best thing would be to eat exactly the same food every
day for a few weeks and then start adding.
My diet has been limited to around 20 grams of carbs per meal. I have
almost exclusively stuck to veggies, beans (black beans), and dairy
for my carbs. No refined flour, sugar, etc for the past month or
more.
I'm drinking lots of water daily. The only thing left is for me to
drop down to the 30grams/day limit.
One other question while I'm rambling. I've read that when counting
carbs you can subtract the fiber grams in a food because your body
doesn't absorb the fiber. Is that true? If so, then you can eat lots
more of some foods like veggies and beans.
Thanks,
Tom

I tend to steer clear of products with petrochemicals. There is
great product called Un-Petroleum, made by Avalon
(avalonorganics.com or avalonnaturalproduts.com). Can also find at
somehealth food stores or they can order it if they use Avalon as a
vendor. It has no petrochemicals, parrafin, mineral oil or
artificital fragrances.
I frequently get atopic dermatitis on my neck, and this stuff works
great as a barrier. Sometimes I use it on eyelids when they get
red, and lips when they get dry. I love it.
Ingredients: Castor Oil, coconut oil, Beeswax, Castorwax, soybean
oil, Vitamin E.
Re: Cetaphil - The soap is made with Tallow (beef fat), which in the
long run can cause pore clogging. I believe it also has some
sulfate derivatives. The liquid is better, but doesn't really do
anything for your skin, and is horrible at removing some types of
sunscreens and some types of make-up. Its okay tho, if a cleanser
doesn't help your skin improve, but it shouldn't strip or harm it
either.
general rule re: Bar soaps, the more it foams, the more likely it
will irritate. Not always, but a safe bet.

The Cure for Rosacea
From the viewpoint of East Indian Ayurvedic medicine, skin disorders are
due to heat and toxins in the body. When there is excess heat and
toxins, the skin is a route of eliminating heat and toxins resulting in
skin disorder. The two primary causes for heat and toxins are
inappropriate diet and anger.
Inappropriate diet and anger clog the liver and gallbladder. Heat and
toxins overflow from these organs into the blood which affects the skin.
The cure is to remove heat and toxins at the source. The seat of heat is
the small intestine plus liver and gallbladder.
Primary Treatment Protocols
Purgation Cleansing
The primary way to remove heat from the small intestine is through what
ayurveda calls panchakarma cleansing. Pancha means five, karma means
action. It is in reference to the five cleansing actions. In this case,
it is the action of purgation of heat and toxins. Heat and toxins are
first dislodged with oil massage from the deep tissues, then they are
moved to the small intestine by the application of steam heat, then they
are removed or purged from the small intestine with purgative herbs.
Ideally, panchakarma is administered by a trained clinician in a clinic.
See resources below. An abbreviated and economical home treatment can be
done by oneself. The complete instructions are in The Complete Book of
Ayurvedic Home Remedies by Dr. Vasant Lad. The purgation phase would be
to ingest 2 to 3 teaspoons of castor oil followed by 2 ounces of warm
soy milk mixed with 1/2 teaspoon ginger powder.
Liver Gallbladder Cleansing
The most specific and powerful method to cleanse the liver and
gallbladder is found in the book The Amazing Liver Cleanse by Andreas
Moritz. Compared to other liver cleanses, his is by far the most sound.
Keep in mind that it will take a number of cleanses before the liver and
gallbladder are completely clean. His website is http://www.ener-
chi.com/liver.htm His forum is
http://www.curezone.com/forums/description.asp?f=157
Adjunct Treatment Protocols
Blood Cleansing
Cleansing the blood of heat and toxins is accomplished with herbs like
burdock root and dandelion root. Some formulas are Blood Cleanse tablets
by BanyanBotanicls.com and Yellow Dock Skin Cleanse tablets by
PlanetaryFormulas.com
Diet
You will need to eat a diet according to your ayurvedic body type to
help cure the rosacea and to prevent it from coming back. Strengthening
your digestion through ayurvedic principles is important too. Diet
should center around cooked grains, legumes, vegetables, and fruit. The
diet details are found in Ayurvedic Healing by Dr. David Frawley,
Perfect Health by Dr. Deepak Chopra, Ayurvedic Cooking by Dr. Vasant Lad
and Heavens Banquet by Miriam Kasin Hospodar
Heating Foods
Initially, you will need to avoid heating foods until you cure the
rosacea with the above cleansing protocols. Heating foods are animal
meat, alcohol, vinegar, white sugar, chili peppers, onions, garlic,
pepper, soy sauce, radish, most spices, salt. You will also need to
avoid the following congesting foods: dairy products, oily fried foods,
nuts and seeds, white flour. Those with a fire body type will need to
avoid most of these foods all the time.
Liver Regeneration
Liver regeneration is helped by Milk Thistle Seeds. Available in
capsules and tablets. See book Milk Thistle by Jill Rosemary Davies.
Bulk seeds available from PacificBotanicals.com
Chinese Medicine
Treatment from Traditional Chinese Medicine can be beneficial, however
the above protocols will bring lasting cure.
Resources
The Ayurvedic Institute http://www.ayurveda.com
The Raj http://www.theraj.com
California College of Ayurveda http://www.ayurvedacollege.com
Additional Reading
Ayurveda and Panchakarma - Dr. Sunil V. Joshi
Yoga and Ayurveda - Dr. David Frawley
Transform Stress into Vitality - Mantak Chia
Chi Nei Tsang: Internal Organs Massage - Mantak Chia

Although the following cleansing procedure is not part of traditional
eastern or western medicine, it is perhaps one of the most powerful
procedures available for correcting and optimizing ones health. It does
have some similarity to purgation in pancharkarma cleansing of ayurveda,
but it is more specific in completely removing stones from the liver and
gallbladder through a series of cleanses.
The origins of the procedure remains unclear, but it seems to have
originated many years ago in Europe. Clearly, it deserves case study
analysis to validate it before the eyes of alternative and conventional
medicine. Ayurvedic practitioner Andreas Moritz has been having
tremendous success using it with his clients. He has modified it with
pre-cleanse and post-cleanse protocols. There are similar cleanses, but
they do not use these modifications which make them potentially
dangerous.
From The Amazing Liver Cleanse book by Andreas Moritz
Website: http://www.ener-chi.com/liver.htm
Forum: http://www.curezone.com/forums/description.asp?f=157
Purpose: Remove bile-cholesterol stones from the liver and gallbladder
in order to improve health. Most people due to modern diet and lifestyle
have stones. Stones are clotted bile and cholesterol. Eighty percent of
health issues are dramatically resolved when all stones are removed and
then following a diet in accord with your ayurvedic constitution. Health
is strained when stones obstruct the flow of bile in the liver and
gallbladder.
Note
There is an effort on behalf of certain individuals and establishments
to discredit the beneficial effects of the liver cleanse by proposing
that these gallstones are actually made of olive oil or are caused by
the liver in response to the sudden ingestion of the large quantity of
oil. These individuals have their own reasons for doing this, which is
not for me to elaborate on.
They have obviously never done a liver cleanse, themselves, otherwise
they would realize what these stones are made of. First, olive oil does
no have such a bad smell as is emanating from the gallstones. Second,
olive oil cannot congeal into such relatively hard structures, even if
it was chemically altered in a laboratory. This is even more impossible
given the short time frame the olive oil has to travel through the
gastro-intestinal tract and the total unavailability of any thickening
agents.
Third, analysis of the majority of the released gallstones reveals the
presence of all basic ingredients that make up the bile fluid. Many of
these consist of layers and layers of old, dark green bile, something
that does not happen overnight. The rest of the stones are the typical
calcified gallstones found in the gallbladder. Fourth, the olive oil
mixture does not even pass through the liver, as would be if it were
combined with food.
Therefore, the liver does nothing but release gallstones and bile. The
liver is not a soap factory either. Fifth, once the liver and
gallbladder are completely clean, there are no more gallstones being
released. If these stones were indeed made from olive oil, they would
occur even after all liver bile ducts are open. However, this is not the
case. There are thousands of people from all over the world who have
saved their gallbladders by the liver cleanse. Others have fully
regained their health and even saved their own lives by doing these
cleanses. Those who promote such false claims prevent their compatriots
and themselves from improving their well-being.

Ayurvedic Cleansing Treatment
From The Complete Book of Ayurvedic Home Remedies by Dr. Vasant Lad
In ayurveda, both for periodic prevention (to reverse any build up of
toxins) and to deal with a specific health problem, panchakarma
(cleansing) is the highly recommended art of detoxification and healing.
If you are not near a center where panchakarma is available under the
supervision of a trained ayurvedic physician, you can do an effective
purification program at home for 8 days
Begin your program with internal oleation (lubrication.) For 3 days in a
row, consume 2 ounces of melted ghee (clarified butter see recipe below)
early in the morning. Wait for appetite to return before eating. For a
vata person, take the ghee with a pinch of unrefined sea salt. For a
pitta person, take the ghee plain. For a kapha person take the ghee with
a pinch of ginger and black pepper. The ghee provides internal oleation
which is necessary so that the toxins in the deep tissues of the body
are dislodged and are taken to the intestinal tract for elimination.
Every night during the home purification, take 5 capsules of triphala
natural laxative (available from omorganics.com) with warm water before
going to bed.
After three days of internal oleation, it is time for external oleation.
For the next 5 days apply 8 ounces of warm (not hot) oil to your body
from head to toe, rubbing it in well for 15 to 20 minutes. Then remove
the oil in a hot shower or bath with a natural soap The best oil for
the vata person is sesame, pitta sunflower oil, and kapha corn oil. To
complete your home panchakarma treatment, on the last three days perform
an ayurvedic herbalized enema (see procedure below) after your hot
shower or bath. Use the detoxifying herb mix named Dashamula tea for the
enema (available from ayurveda.com.) Boil 1 tablespoon of dashamula tea
in 16 ounces water for 5 minutes to make a tea. Let cool, strain, and
use the liquid as an enema. Retain the liquid as long as you comfortably
can. And don't worry if little or no liquid comes out. Absorption of the
liquid is normal.
This oleation both internal and external with ghee and oil, sweating
using a hot shower or bath, purgation using triphala, followed by a
enema with the detoxifying tea, constitute an effective panchakarma that
you can easily do on your own at home. During the entire time it is
important to get plenty of rest, and to observe a light diet. From day 4
to 8 eat only kitchari (see recipe below.) Ideally, do panchakarma twice
a year every year, late spring and early fall. This will prevent disease
and retard the aging process.
Summary
Day 1 to 3 - Internal oleation. Regular ayurvedic diet. Triphala.
Day 4 to 8 - External oleation. Eat kitchari only. Triphala.
Day 6 to 8 - External oleation. Eat kitchari only. Triphala. Enema.
Day 9 - Light diet leading to regular ayurvedic diet. Ok to continue
with triphala. Take rejuvenative herbs like ashwaganda for vata people,
shatavari for pitta people, and punarnava for kapha people. Also
Chyavanprash for all types.
Three Cautions About Home Panchakarma
1. Not for anyone with low vitality. 2 . Not for the pregnant. 3. Not
during menstruation 4. This treatment may eventually release buried
emotions. If this happens, take a relaxing herb tea.
Ayurvedic Enema
Ayurvedic enema treatment introduces into the rectum medicinals such as
sesame oil, or herbal decoctions such as dashamula tea in a liquid
medium. Medicated enemas pacify vata and alleviate many vata disorders,
such as constipation, abdominal distention, insomnia, backache, neck
pain, arthritis, sciatica, anxiety, and various nervous disorders. It is
said that there at least eighty vata related disorders, and that enema
is a complete treatment for 80 percent of them. Enema also is effective
for treating chronic fever, sexual disorders, kidney stones,
hyperacidity, and numerous other conditions.
The best times for enema is in the morning or evening. The stomach
should be empty, so wait at least three hours after eating. Make sure
the environment is clean, warm, and comfortable: An area where you can
lay down near the toilet is best. You will need an enema bag, measuring
cup, oil and or herbal decoction, and towels. An enema can bucket is
easier to clean (available from colonichealth.com)
The usual procedure for enema is first to introduce 5 ounces of warm
(not hot) sesame oil into the rectum and retain it for 10 minutes. Then,
without expelling the oil, introduce a mixture of oil and herbal tea and
retain it for at least 30 minutes. The mixture should consist of another
5 ounces of sesame oil, mixed with 16 ounces of herbal tea made from
herbs steeped in hot water, then strained and cooled to about body
temperature.
To introduce the fluid into the rectum, first fill the enema container,
which should be suspended about 3 feet above your position. Allow the
air to be expelled from the tube hose by letting the liquid flow
through, then close the clip on the hose. Then lay on the floor on your
left side, your left (bottom) leg extended and your right leg flexed at
the knee. For comfort lay on a couple of towels and not the bare floor.
Lubricate the rectal tip with sesame oil. Make sure the rectum area is
clean and lubricated. Carefully and slowly insert the rectal tip into
the rectum, then release the clip and allow all the fluid to enter. When
the enema container is empty, remove the tip.
Again, try to hold the oil for 10 minutes, and then hold the oil/herbal
tea for another 30 minutes if you can. While holding the fluid inside,
assume a hands-and-knees position for a while and elevate the buttocks;
this relaxes the colon. Periodically massage the colon area lightly with
a counterclockwise motion (as seen when you look down toward your
navel.) Massage up the left side to the rib cage, across to the right
side, and down. (This is opposite to the way food journeys through and
serves to propel the enema fluid up into the higher areas of the colon.)
When the fluid has been retained for the suggested time (or if you just
can't hold it) sit on the toilet and release. For some individuals, the
fluid does not come back out. That simply means the colon was very dry
and that all the liquid has been absorbed. This is entirely natural and
is nothing to worry about.
Note: Oil enemas are not for anyone with acute fever, diarrhea, cold,
paralysis, heart pain, severe abdominal pain, or emaciation. Medicated
enemas are not for the aged, children under seven, or anyone with
indigestion, cough, breathlessness, ascites, profuse edema, diarrhea,
rectal bleeding, hemorrhoids, diabetes, or anemia.
Ghee Recipe
Slowly melt one pound of organic unsalted butter in a glass sauce pan.
When butter begins to boil, reduce heat and slow boil 12 to 15 minutes.
Careful not to burn. When curds at bottom of pan turn light tan, remove
from heat. Remove foam on top of melted butter with large spoon. Pour
ghee through stainless steel strainer into glass jar and seal with lid.
Ghee does not require refrigeration unless the weather is hot. Shelf
life is unlimited. Use a clean dry spoon when removing ghee from jar.
Unlike butter, ghee does not easily burn when used in cooking. A general
dosage is 2 teaspoons per day on food. Ghee is one of the highest
regarded tonic foods in ayurvedic medicine.
Kitchari Recipe
1/4 cup organic split yellow mung beans
1/4 cup organic white basmati rice
1 and 3/4 cups spring water
1/4 inch slice organic fresh ginger
1/2 teaspoon organic tumeric powder
1/2 teaspoon organic corriander powder
1/2 teaspoon organic cumin powder
1 tablespoon organic ghee
1 pinch sea salt
1 organic lime wedge
1/4 cup fresh chopped organic cilantro leaves aka corriander
The beans do not need prior soaking in water. Bring water to a boil in
sauce pan. Add beans, rice, ginger and salt. Cover and simmer on low for
30 minutes until tender with porridge like consistency. In sauce pan
saute spices in ghee for a minute then mix into rice and beans. This is
important to release the energy of the spices. Ok to add steamed
vegetables. Top with cilantro and lime. Serves one. Ok to make personal
adjustments. This is the most basic kitchari recipe for detoxificiation
and healing. You can find many different variations of this basic
recipe. Sometimes the rice quantity is doubled. To maintain texture of
rice, cook rice and beans separately as follows. Cook 1/2 cup rice in 1
cup water. Remove from heat and let sit covered for 5 minutes. Cook 1/4
cup beans in 1 cup water for 20 minutes. Mix spices and ghee into beans.
Top rice with beans. Eating only kitchari can be constipating. Include
extra fiber. A good substitute to rice is the grain quinoa. Tumeric,
corriander, and cumin strengthen digestion plus tumeric is detoxifying.
Organic spices available from ayurveda.com or lhasakarnak.com Kitchari
simply means rice and bean mixture.
Note: Split yellow mung beans also know as yellow mung or moong dahl
(bean) is considered the very best bean for the ayurvedic diet,
detoxification and healing. They are extremely easy to digest, have a
subtle sweet taste, and not astringent. They are simply the whole green
mung bean with the green hull removed and split. You can use whole green
mung beans, but they require about one hour of soaking and about 45
minutes of cooking. Running the cooked beans through a blender can make
them more digestible. Organic split yellow mung beans are currently only
produced by American Health and Nutrition (organictrading.com.) They
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Well, I just do what you told me to do Dave....... delete your messages. I'll
bet I'm not the only one.
Dave Fleming <fulltruth40@...
Hi, to all "rosaceans",
Today, Angela, a member of the "rosaceans group", sent me a lengthy message,
telling me why she was "extremely disturbed" by my claims about [FLUCONAZOLE 1%
SOLUTION], as the most effective treatment/cure for rosacea.
So, without irritating anyone at "rosaceans" with my long posts, I am just
letting each person know, that Angela's message, and my answer, is at:

I would like to know their opinions and results.
thanks¡¡
JyotiK2052@... wrote:
Hi, Mark,
LTDIII is the trademark of the company, I guess. Their website is <A
HREF="http://www.rosacea-Ltd.com"
http://www.rosacea-Ltd.com</A
oxide, magnesium
sterate, sodium chloride, iron oxide, copper oxide, polyethylene glycol and
sulfur (sulfur is used externally only and not to be confused with sulfa which
is taken internally only). they go on to say that these ingredients are
compressed under 22,000 pounds of pressure per square inch into a very
concentrated
'smooth solid form' for easy application to the facial skin areas.' The site
will give you specific instructions on use when you buy the product. I
believe I sent in $84.00 for the discs and info regarding how to use it. They
also
give info about diet, as well...particularly regarding the drinking of 12-16
glasses of water daily. As I have said before, I am not affiliated with this
company in any shape, form or fashion, except that I ordered their product and
am using it, and am happy to pass along the results that I got to others who
might want to know about it. Hope this helps! Also, remember that what works
for one person may not work for another...and....what works today may not work
tomorrow! Such is the woe of Rosacea! ;) Good Luck! - Jyoti

I take the Twinlabs Allerdophilus. It's great and you don't have to
refrigerate it.
Connie

Hi, to all "rosaceans",
Today, Angela, a member of the "rosaceans group", sent me a lengthy message,
telling me why she was "extremely disturbed" by my claims about [FLUCONAZOLE 1%
SOLUTION], as the most effective treatment/cure for rosacea.
So, without irritating anyone at "rosaceans" with my long posts, I am just
letting each person know, that Angela's message, and my answer, is at:

Dave,
I hoped I was reading your message wrong.
Hugs,
Jacy

Hi, Jacy, and (hugs) to you,
Actually, I was very careful with my wording, I thought. I said "POSSIBLE
pitfalls". That certainly does not include every MD. Also, concerning anyone
making money from this field, "you will know them by their fruits". Meaning,
that three out of four of the largest rosacea centered groups have banned me.
Brady Barrows has been the only one that has not. I respect him for that, as
well as for the incredible free information services that he provides. It was
only through one of Brady's links, that I discovered Dr. Mercola, who is most
impressive, indeed.
As for why I have been banned, only I know, that these three groups gave me no
chance to follow any restrictions. From my viewpoint, they are less concerned
about the truth, than about whatever other motivations they have for banning any
mention of this DMSO-fluconazole, (named FLUCONAZOLE 1% SOLUTION), highly
effective treatment/cure for rosacea. The most obvious POSSIBLE reason, is that
they are making too much money from the suffering of rosaceans, to want to allow
an honest to God "real", treatment/cure, to be talked about.
I will be exposing more about their motivations later, if necessary.
From my viewpoint, every day that passes, makes David Pascoe and Andrew Reid
look worse and worse, because they have clearly denied their members and
"lurkers" any mention of this new, highly effective treatment/cure for rosacea.
Of course, I have always been willing to limit my posts in any way necessary,
but they never cared about that.
I agree with you, not only that each individual should be viewed on their own
merit, but that each individual can, at any time, repent of their wrong-doing,
and change their way. That is what I hope for David Pascoe and Andrew Reid, but
I'm not holding my breath, while I work to reach those they are denying this
news to
All the facts are at:

If possible, try to get a second and even third opinion. Sometimes
acne doesn't surface (no pun intended!) like the textbook states,
neither does rosacea. I have adult acne in addition to rosacea and
was misdiagnosed a couple of times. After doing my own research, I
finally found a GP and an esthestician who were willing to help me.
Between the 2 I've found a script (Retin a micro - applied in a
buffered form on the acne- prone areas) and a great skin care line -
those along with the diet has brought my skin back to normal.
Also, all the carbs from most yogurts (or any fermented product) is
sugar. I use to eat yogurt about 3 times a week. I removed
fermented foods (sans a occasional glass of wine or a drink) from my
diet and saw an even greater improvement.

Twinlabs makes an excellent Multi- you can find them at most health
food stores. They're in capsule form and not dense - so they don't
sit in your stomach.
For now, I use Schiffs acidlphilus.
If you go into a health food store or even well stocked drugstore,
you should be able to get someone in the know to assist you.
--- In rosacea-diet-users-support-

Hi, this is Kelly. I just wanted to say thankyou to everyone that
responded to my message about topical products. I really wanted some
personal opinions on things. There is so much out there on the net
you don't know what to try.
Thanks again,
Kelly

What I found amusing is Dave's "Of course, there is even less reason
to trust anyone who profits in any way from the medical/health
field..."
Lonne

I'm currently on Erythromycin (hope to be off it at some point in
the near future) and am interested in taking acidolphilus to help
bring the good bacteria in. What acidolphilus supplement do you take
and how much a day? I know it's listed in the book, but I am
confused with all the supplements available out there.
Also, what is a good multivitamin to take that will cover most
bases? I have been taking only One a Day Essential which has the
bare necessities because the Men's supplement caused flushing.
Has anyone tried the Nutrapack (http://www.go-
symmetry.com/catalog/nutrapack.htm)?
I hope to narrow it down so I'm not spending too much. I'm only
taking grape seed, Ester-c, and one a day right now.
Thanks!
jw

Angel,
No, I haven't noticed that, but I have oily skin. I don't think I'm the
typical rosacean. I don't have flushing/blushing episodes, only
boils/pimples. My doctor says it's rosacea, but I'm still not convinced.
The worst is when my nose breaks out.
I had a recent mild outbreak - I think it's something I ate, but I don't
know. I get a warning in advance when my nose gets oily, but I haven't been
able to identify what causes it. I had yogurt (plain, with protein powder,
blueberries, and flax seed) the day before, and I'm thinking I should avoid
that.
Any advice?

Hi Dave.
Thanks for those links!.
I will come over and check out your group.
To Brady and everyone else Im still here! lol
I,ve been REAL busy and beautiful weather is here.
I,ve hardly been inside.
Also my car died and I,ve had lots of running around to do to buy another
one.lol
Im just catching up on all the posts here now and Brady Im finished reading your
book now.
Marilyn

the cleanser (Desert Essence Throughly Clean Face Wash) you referred
to is popularly used for acne and oily skin, especially in the
organic crowds. The Tea Tree must be serving as an exfoliant of
some sort. If it were irritating your skin you would know it
immediately! The good thing about that cleanser is that you can buy
it in bulk at an economical price.
its well documented that Metro only works for about 50 percent of
the time or less. I stopped using after 3 months.
Lots of us rosaceans who watch their diets use Acidophilus. I've
been using it for so long I forgot why I was taking it, ha!

I have to agree with Lee, the biggest change in your skin will
brought on by your diet. Anything you use on top of your skin
should be gentle enough not to irritate it and to complement your
nutritional habits. Personally, I can't use Tea Tree Oil based
cleansers on a regular basis - they're a bit too strong. I steer
clear of anything with the Lauryl or Laureth Sulfates. Dermalogica
products work best for me. So does a mild topical C - which I'm
reading more and more derms are prescribing for rosaceans who
primarily have redness.
And add me to the list of MetroGel non users - I stopped using 3
months after it was prescribed. It did nothing for me skin except
make it worse. In fact, I no longer use anything that was
originally prescribed - it was a waste of cash.

Jyoti,
I agree not every product works for everyone, but I'm intriqued by
your results. What exactly is RosaceaLTDIII? I haven't seen it in
the stores and when I called my derm's office, they had never heard
of it. Where do you go to purchase it?
Mark

Hi Kelly..My first reaction to your question."is anything working" was that
during the 30 day process of doing the rosacea diet is "less is better".
Your body and skin are going thru many changes during this healing time, so
let it happen naturally. At the end of the 30 days and you see that your
skin is clear and vibrant the things that concern you now may not be of such
pressing importance. Most important is to keep your skin clean..Brady has
mentioned many times that he uses SAStid soap.
Dr Perricone recommends using alpha lipoic acid/DMEA creme....alpha lipoic
acid is a powerful antioxident, antiflamatory and cellular healing product
and DMEA strengthens the muscle structure of the face. There are many other
attributes of these two products that can be found in his books 'The Wrinkle
Cure' and 'The Perricone Connection'. Periodically he does special shows on
the PBS channels. He is a powerful speaker on natural remedies. Currently I
use the creme combination, my skin drinks it up immediately and I'm happy
with it.
You can also search the support group archives for recommendations of various
skin products. This can be a daunting task so if you would like me to help
you do that and send you the references I would be happy to. You can also
scan the back of your book chapter of emails that Page 125 refers to the
importance of taking Vitamins A & E for alleviating skin dryness. Read
bottom of page 141.
Lee

Hi, Angela,
I'm a 'newbie' too. I've been lurking here for a few weeks, and have only
just begun to reply to an e-mail or two. I, too, was always complimented
heavily from my teen years on for having 'such lovely, translucent skin.' I'm
63
years old, and this is the first time (since one outbreak of severe pimples in
high school) that I have EVER had red, blotchy skin. I have a medical
background, so I self-diagnosed myself, and began to study up and read every
book/article, etc. Then I found this site, and have to say that the anecdotal
info has
been very helpful. The only thing that I know for sure about rosacea is that
EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT! And what helps one, may not help another. To make
it even more difficult, the thing that seemed so promising yesterday, makes it
worse today! I have spent a little bit of money on things that I can get
online. I got a sample "Physician's Choice" kit, which seemed to help. I also
got B. Kamins Rosacea Treatment Kit, which also was helpful. But nothing
seemed to clear it to my satisfaction. I also purchased online Rosacea LTD III
(some folks have said that it did NOT help them, and others say that it did give
some relief.) I think the main thing that I am doing right now is drinking
12-16 glasses of water daily. I've always been a water drinker, but now I am
even more diligent. Anyway, I followed Rosacea LTDIII's protocol diligently for
12 days, and today was the first time I actually applied the little round
discs to my face. Within 20 minutes, my skin looked almost normal again! I
have
some makeup geared for the florid, flushed skin, and it covered what was left
very nicely, and I've had no sequelae that was bad. The reason I chose the
LTDIII is because they have a 120 day no questions asked return policy!!! The
other thing I have done is to read, read, read as much as I can; either
anecdotally or published materials. BTW, I have NO MONETARY INTEREST IN
PROMOTING
LTDIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm simply reporting what happened for me, which might
not happen for you. But at this point, I am willing to try some of the more
innocuous 'treatments' because it can't hurt. what I am NOT ready to do is go
to
a doctor who may or may not understand the full mechanisms of rosacea, and
who may prescribe harsh medications, etc. However, I don't recommend that
people NOT go to doctors, or try everything they can to come to some
understanding
of the condition and possible relief avenues. WELL! I have certainly written
more than I have ever done while lurking! I wish everyone well as they do
their own searching and sharing with others. It is very uplifting to hear other
people's stories. Thanks for listening. P.S. I live in Texas, where the sun
is VERY hot and blistering.....yet up until now, I have not had rosacea!!!
Go figure.... Good luck! Jyoti

I am curious if anyone is using a cream, wash, tonic whatever it is,
that they really believe is helping. I my skin is not so much very
red, some of course, but the real problem I have right now is the
dry, scaly appearence of my skin.
I stopped using the Metrogel 3 days ago and am on day 9 of the
Rosacea diet. The redness is definatley better. I just started
using a cleanser, gel and moisturiser with Aloe Vera. My skin is
quite a bit better. Which I believe is due to no longer using the
metrogel. Would love to hear from people who believe what there
using is really working!
Kelly

Hi everyone,
I'm new to the group. I was diagnosed with rosacea less than a year ago. Last
summer I was put on a medication that put my into a temporary menopause to deal
with some health issues. Shortly after that I bought some Mary Kay make-up
products (I usually wear make-up) from a family member and that's when it all
started. I think the combination of drugs and different products did it. I've
always had nice skin and people have always commented on it. Now I have to wear
heavy make-up to cover my Rosy cheeks. I had to go to 3 different doctors to
finally get diagnosed and went through 3 different creams...none of them helped.
I had the bumps around my nose really bad but that is gone and now I'm dealing
with redness and large pores on my cheeks that is slowly spreading. I found
that a good moisturizer really helped but in the summer my face gets shiny so
I'm not sure what to do now. I had a stressful phone call yesterday and today
it's really bad. Anyway, I'm looking forward to
everyone's ideas and possible solutions for this irritating and embarrassing
problem.
Angela
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"A true friend walks in when the rest of the world walks out"
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In a message dated 1/18/2003 10:46:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tlgsuper@... writes:
Ive been using the St Ives Clear Pore Cleanser for about a wk; it has tea
tree extract and some other soothing things like chamomile etc...it seems to
be okay, ie not irritating (I am crossing my fingers as I type this lol) but
Im sure the strength is much weaker than what you have. I feel like by the
end of the day I need a cleanser to cut thru a fine layer of sebderm, almost
like a very gentle exfoliant...does the teatree cleanser you have do that?
---Angel

Hi,
I have had a tough time reducing redness, too. Metrogel and Klaron did not help.
Ironically, zinc oxide really reduced redness for me the most. I used a
pharmacy tube of white zinc oxide at night (too white to wear during the day).
They also make a tinted zinc oxide I found at health food stores. The tint
blends pretty well with most skin types.
If zinc works for you, you can buy a much more expensive one from Linda
Sy...hers has been broken down into micro granules so it is not as white. I
wear it every day. You can buy 2.00 samples of her products to see if you like
them before you invest in larger more expensive sizes.
She also makes a VitaOil for rosacea that has calmed my skin down alot. It goes
on wet skin and is not greasy. Normally I would never put oil on my skin, but
this has jojoba and other oils and really helps me.
The website is: http://www.lindasy.com I do not profit from this nor do I
have any affiliation with Linda Sy. I found her products from Dr. Nase's book
on Rosacea and it is the first time I found products that really help me. I
know it can change at any time, as rosacea is so unpredictable, but I have had
great luck with her products for a month now.
Good luck in finding what works for you. I found Dr. Nase's info to be very
helpful for me regarding both facial rosacea and ocular rosacea.
--Shauna

It would be interesting to hear if Metrogel has ever helped anybody (except
the pharmacutical (sp?) company that makes it).
I've been using a tea tree oil face wash (by Desert Essence) for the past
week and a half that seems to have made a very positive difference. It was
recommended by the lady that runs our local health food store. She also
recommended acidophilus - both for rosacea and also because I had been on
antibiotics for several months. Does anybody have comments on either of the
above?
Tom

Any of the normal topicals prescribed for rosacea will help with the
redness. How long have you been using MetroCream? It might take a
while before you see the full improvement. I use Finacea. That works
the best for me for the redness and acne.
If the topical isn't giving you enough of an improvement, then you
might have to add an oral antibiotic.
Laser treatments like VBeam (Candela brand name) are the best for the
redness, but can be expensive and you need to find a good doctor for
that.

Hi, I would like to know besides laser treatment, is there anyway to
reduce the redness on the face? I read a few post here, saying that
metrocream doesn't reduce redness, and I am only using metrocream
now. So, if metrocream doesn't reduce redness, is there any other
medication or cream that can reduce redness? Thanks.
Ben

According to a Google search, Elimite is for scabies and/or lice
(neihter is associated with rosacea, BTW). Flagyl is a form of
Metronidazole (antibacterial) that has been around a long time (I
remember my sister took it in the late '70s).
Have you considered actually going to a dermatologist? Neither of
these products is geared toward caring for rosacea. I'm not sure if
your doctor is giving you the right info.
Lonne

This is my first post. I was diagnosed with rosacea over a year
ago. I have been taking Flagyl oral antibiotics and, more recently,
Elimite. My question is: Is anyone else using Elimite for rosacea?
I don't think it is doing any good and might actually be making it
worse! My face seems redder in the morning and burns. Elimite is
used to treat scabies but my doc says he read a paper from
dermitologists who say they have sucess using this product. I am a 36
year old male and I have a job working with the public.

Tom,
I quote Barry Sears, PhD., on page 7 of my book, which is actually a
quote taken from Nicholas V. Perricone, M.D.'s book, The Wrinkle
Cure, about sugar's inflammatory properties. Many of Dr. Sear's
books are listed on my list of diet books on my web site which
you can find the url address in my book on page 26 near the bottom
of the page. At this url you find not only the Zone books listed, but
a significant number of books that can help you find a diet that
you can live with and control your rosacea. My book is simply step
in the right direction. Not only does Dr. Sears have books, he
offers a whole regime of foods like Zone Bars, etc. I am grateful to
Dr. Sears for his insight into health along with Dr. Perricone.
As to the amount of carbohydrates to eat after the thirty day
Rosacea Diet plan I have mentioned in the book on page 73, you
can now decide "how many carbohydrate [grams] you can tolerate
before your rosacea returns." Every rosacean is different and will
have to figure this out individually. But this group can help each
other out with suggestions like yours with Enter the Zone. Thanks.
Brady Barrows
On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 08:24 PM, tlgsuper

Those who have ever wondered, whether they were receiving the best medical care
possible, may be interested in reading the article at:
<http://www.mercola.com/2002/mar/23/hypocrisy.htm
and also copied in the message at:

Has anyone heard of the "Zone Diet?" It's at www.zoneperfect.com. I
found it today while searching the net on macronutrient balancing.
They have a pretty interesting approach to diet that is similar to
the Rosacea diet, except they are a little more generous with carbs.
They also have a very comprehensive list of foods and their
relationship to the glycemic index, categorized by protein, carb, and
fat. They also have lots of recipe ideas!
Seems like a good resource.
I threw out my Metrogel and antibiotics and have been on a pretty
strict diet for about a week and a half now. I'm allowing myself a
few more carbs than 30 grams/day for starters. The results have been
very good. My skin is clearer and feels healthier than ever. There
is definitely a great advantage to getting rid of sugar, refined
flour, and reducing carbs!
I found that after stopping the Metrogel about a week ago, that some
of the redness I've had in my nose for months is fading. I think the
Metrogel was aggravating it. Has anyone else had that experience?
I'm also pretty fed up with mainstream medicine. I specifically
asked my dermatologist if there was anything I could do dietarily
other than avoiding these "trigger" foods to improve my skin. His
answer was an emphatic "no!" Do these people ever help anybody?
Tom

The only person who has ever "Unsubscribed" from my group, (rosacea-cure),
called themself "operation_ferris", with the email address of:
arsenalchris@...
This happened during just the last few days. Since the "chris" is the same as
the name you mention, I thought I'd let you know this. The email address
sounded ominous to me, and I have had some cyber-problems since this person
joined and "Unsubscribed", within a couple of days.
I apologize to "arsenalchris", if I am wrong about this.
Sincerely,
Dave Fleming
Lonne <martinec_lon@...
Someone named "Chris" has apparently been trolling the rosacea sites
and e-mailing an ad for rosacea products to members' personal e-mail
addresses. Anyone else receive one from someone at
for-your-health@...?
I find this more irritating than rosacea.
Lonne

In a message dated 6/16/03 9:17:23 AM Central Daylight Time,
martinec_lon@... writes:
Nope, but I, too, would find that very intrusive and annoying!

Hi Angel,
The Cheetos occasionally call me too. I found a recipe
for cheese puffs in my gramma's old cookbook. I
changed it a bit and it is in the recipes in the
database. You know, I never thought in my years of
vegetarian and health oriented eatting that I would
ever do it, but when I have a junk food craving I go
get a bag of fried pork skins (WalMart carries them
and most bigger supermarkets too) and a bottle of diet
RC Cola. The pork skins are mostly fat and protein
(very very low carb)and the diet RC is not sweetened
with aspartame and doesn't have caffeine. I can have a
big snack and not notice any effects with my skin at
all. Of course is probably wouldn't be a good thing to
do on a daily basis, but it really does the trick for
me. Another thing I have done is put little bits of
cheese on the pork skins. To me, I feel like I am
having cheese on crackers - something I haven't had
for years. My husband looks at me and rolls his eyes
in disbelief, but then adds that he is happy to see me
feeling so satisfied. Debbie

Someone named "Chris" has apparently been trolling the rosacea sites
and e-mailing an ad for rosacea products to members' personal e-mail
addresses. Anyone else receive one from someone at
for-your-health@...?
I find this more irritating than rosacea.
Lonne

Thanks for the welcome Lee!
I cant imagine why people arent putting two and two together--what goes in
(food) MUST come out (ie skin reaction)!! It makes total sense, but even the
derm told me there were no dietary changes I could make to improve things!
This is Day 3 and I notice I have no constant tingly soreness today! Is it
the increase in water? The decrease in sugar and carbs? The healing effects
of increased protein? Do I really care? rofl Something is working, that
is whats important!! I never realized how very badly I ate--like I said,
everything in the house is processed/prepackaged/loaded w/ carbs. I did fall
off the wagon last nite--chinese food is my weakness--had General Tso chicken
(loaded w/ sugar, coated in flour) over white rice. But like a good little
Carboholic, Im back on the wagon today lol.
I think I may grow gills tho--an entire can of tuna at lunch for 2 days in a
row...almost made a pan of brownies, but drank some water instead :-) but I
hear the cheetos calling to me..."Angel, Angel, we have no sugar...have one
or two or twenty..." OK so theres no sugar, but 1/2c (whats that, like, 3
cheetos?) is 16 CARBS!!
Hope everyone's having a great day :-)
**Angel**
"Love Lights more Fires than Hate can Extinguish"
--Ella Wheeler-Wilcox

Hi Angel....WELCOME to the group. I had a hardy laugh when you said "all I
had in my kitchen was eggs, tuna and mustard." I was equally shocked after I
read the book and discovered I was eating 150 carbs for breakfast ....yikes!
my first meal of the day!!!!!!!
I also went through many of the medical treatments only to get hysterical
because I got worse instead of better. I have rosacea and discoid
lupus(facial skin eruptions). Frankly, my face was a disaster!!!!! I got
the rosacea diet and by month's end my face was so clear and vibrant that I
had to look in the mirror hundreds of times to make sure I wasn't dreaming.
As a result of my experience, I feel strongly that ANY skin problem can be
vastly improved with the rosacea diet
Now I only use alpha lipoic acid, vitamin C, Dmae cream on my face..I also
take alpa lipoic acid internally. It is reputed to be a powerful
anti-oxidant.
Doing the thirty day plan was easier for me than trying to intregrate other
food choices after the diet. I surely do struggle with that challenge...it
has taken me a year to psychologically let go of some foods. So, this
program gives you a jumpstart on the healing process for your skin and some
emotionally dependent habits we all get caught up in.
Belonging to this support group will give you all the highs and lows of
everyone's experience and an unending array of knowledge,,both medical and
natural for you to explore.
Looking forward to hearing from you often
Lee
.

Jacy,
Metrogel also irritates my skin. Pretty much all topicals irritate my
skin to some degree and I rely on oral antibiotics. Right now, I just
can't get off oral antibiotics and I'm not going to stress out over
it. I'm just taking it one day at a time.
I've been on antibiotics for almost 4 yrs with only very short breaks
when I've gone of them. I haven't had any secondary infections at all
(knock on wood). I take a low dose every day (100 mg doxycyline) and
use Finacea topical 1x per day.
I hope your daughter gets some relief soon. Tell her to not be afraid
of the antibiotics. I, for sure, didn't want to take them, but I look
bad without them. I know they can cause problems, but right now it's
the only thing I can do.
Tricia

Hi everyone! I finally received my copy of the Diet Thursday
evening. One look in the kitchen showed that the only things I had
that were on the dietplan were eggs, tuna fish and mustard! rofl
Thats what I had, tho--2 hardboiled eggs for lunch, tuna fish w/
tomatoes for dinner.
A short history--Ive had sensitive skin since birth, always bumpy.
Took shots for environmental allergies as a kid. At about age 16,
began w/ sebderm. Was given steroid cream which produced bad
reaction--that led to a dx of rosacea. Have been on all manner of
creams and antibiotics on and off ever since (am now 29). I havent
found the Magic Bullet and doubt I will from the rx world, so am
moving on to more natural remedies. Have been prescription-free
since Dec 22 2002; havent gotten worse, but havent improved either.
Im not totally convinced that I am experiencing a rosacea flareup,
despite what the derm. said. (At the time of my last flareup, right
before I swore off meds, I was on minocycline and metrolotion.
Applying the metro. began feeling like when I was using the steroid
cream-increased redness, burning. In response the derm gives me
hydrocortisone cream!) Anyways, my symptoms are slight pinkishness
on forehead and cheeks, large pores and rough texture in those
areas. I could *almost* live with those, if it werent for the
*sensations* in those areas. Extreme tightness, stinging/tingling, a
feeling of "cracking" and major dryness, which goes away as soon as
the weather warms up/humidity comes back. I have a total remission
during the summer months. A humidifier isnt an option, since my son
and I are allergic to dustmites; however, I am thinking on trying a
facial sauna. Im concerned this would make the large pores even
worse tho.
My current regime, morning and night, is: Dove unscented soap, rinse
w/ warm filtered water (our tapwater is very hard and I read this at
the sebderm group), moisturize immediately w/ Estee
Lauder "Nutritious". Apply Clinique "All About Eyes". Hold breath
and hope it doesnt burn this time lol. I dont use
concealer/foundation because the rubbing in of the products make me
flaky, plus I like to let my skin "breathe"; dont know how much good
it does tho.
Im so confused--rosacea and sebderm are usually considered oily skin
conditions; why am I so dry??
Thanks for letting me join; I look forward to sharing more w/ you all!
---Angel

John,
I wouldn't recommend Accutane unless you have large cysts. I took
Accutane before I had rosacea because I had cystic acne. The Accutane
was good for the cystic acne, but I'm pretty sure that the Accutane
contributed to me developing rosacea. It changed my skin. I developed
rosacea within 2 yrs after stopping Accutane.
I was considering Accutane in Feb. because I was getting large
pustules with my rosacea. That's when a derm. switched my oral
antibiotic from tetracycline to doxycycline and my topical lotion to
Finacea. I don't have any pustules right now and my skin isn't red.
I guess what I'm saying is this...try everything else before trying
Accutane. If my acne gets bad again, I'd try the Smoothbeam laser
before I'd try Accutane.
Tricia

It's working well for me now. But, I also take oral antibiotics (100
mg doxycyline/day). The Finacea works well in conjunction with the
oral antibiotics, but if I quit one or the other my face would be a
mess.

Brady,
Thanks very much for the prompt reply. The dermatologist has been
confused because I did not respond to the normal treatments. He
suspected staph or some strange infection. However, he now tells me
that he thinks it is rosacea, but I'm still not convinced.
I read your entire book with great interest today. It makes lots of
sense and today is day #1 for me.
I went to a chiropractor who also practices functional medicine about
3 weeks ago. She gives similar advice to you, but she is not as
emphatic about LOW carbs. Their advice is a 15-20-6 balance between
protein-carbs-fat. She also said NO SUGAR or REFINED foods. She
also took me off wheat. I've been following her suggestions for
about three weeks and there has been some improvement. However, I
had a recent breakout that told me something was still wrong.
I think I need to take your advice and lower the carbs even more and
see how that goes.
You may want to take a look at the functional medicine web site.
They have many things in common with you - though they treat all
kinds of diseases. They are not high protein advocates, but more of
a moderate approach along with lots of supplements. Problem is, it
gets expensive. I've already spent $700 for doctor visits and
supplements. The web site is www.fxmed.com
Thanks for your help. I will have LOTS more questions.
Tom

HAs anyone tried accutane with success please let me
know.. I am contemplating doin a 5 month regimin
starting with 40Mg/day first two months andn end with
60 Mg/day last three any suggestions as what time of
year is best to start acuutane as well as any
suggestions..
thanks

is it the finacea that you used? my husband had the kind of roscea that is
pustals not the red kind. he has been using it for about a month now and there
has been far less break-outs. in fact there has been a great deal of
improvement. you must use it 2x's a day like clock work. they say it takes 12
weeks
to see it work the best. yes when you first start using it, it is
uncomfortable but it is well worth the results . you must really stay with
it. how
long did you use it for.
sue

Tom,
Only your doctor can diagnose rosacea. What did your dermatologist
say it was? There is a number of diseases that can be misdiagnosed
for rosacea. Information on this can be found at this url
http://rosaceadiet.com/html/tip.html
Scroll down to the seventh article.
As for the Rosacea Diet, I think if you try it for thirty days, you will
notice an improvement with your nose as well as your entire complexion
and see that the Rosacea Diet controls this as well. Have you tried
the diet yet?
Brady
On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 10:03 AM, tlgsuper

Hello,
I'm new to the group and I have 100 questions. My first one is
this. Do I have Rosacea? For the past year or so, I've had
persistent pimples/boils on my nose that sometimes get very large and
nasty. I get periodic small pimples elsewhere on my face, but
nothing like what happens on my nose. My doctor treated this with
antibiotic (Cephalexyn) which suppressed it, but every time I went
off, they came back.
I requested a referral to a dermatologist who tried Tetracycline and
Erythromycin, neither of which worked at all. He then put me on
Septra DS, which has been most effective, but they still come back
after a few weeks off the antibiotic.
I don't have any of the classic Rosacea symptoms I read about, like
flushing, widespread redness, etc. I don't think I've ever blushed
in my life. It's only these nasty nose breakouts, usually just one
at a time, but quite large. I'm of a somewhat dark complexion and my
skin can get very oily at times. The pimples/boils have left behind
redness and visible vessels, which my dermatologist says I may live
with for life.
So, my first question, understanding that you are not doctors, is
this. Does this sound like Rosacea to you and has this diet helped
people with similar symptoms?
Thanks
Tom

hi Lora,
is it the finacea that you used? my husband had the kind of roscea that is
pustals not the red kind. he has been using it for about a month now and there
has been far less break-outs. in fact there has been a great deal of
improvement. you must use it 2x's a day like clock work. they say it takes 12
weeks
to see it work the best. yes when you first start using it, it is
uncomfortable but it is well worth the results . you must really stay with it.
how
long did you use it for.
sue

Dr. Nase has posted a message on my site
that may be of interest to the group
http://www.rosaceans.com/html/tip.html#ibs

This debate goes on with H-pylori though I
am not familiar with the Israeli study. Are
there any links on the net to this study? Dr. Nase
says in his book that the relationship between
H-Pylori and rosacea is "only a minimally important
rosacea trigger." Rosacea triggers are not
absolute for every rosacean. There is no known
rosacea trigger that in every rosacean causes
a rosacea flare up. Dr. Nase's book discusses
in more detail about H-Pylor as well as just
about everything else on rosacea.
Here are some helpful links on H-Pylori
http://www.rosaceans.com/html/tip.html#hp
link to Dr. Nase book as well as all known
books/booklets on rosacea
http://www.rosaceans.com/html/books.html
The cause of rosacea is unknown. The
H-Pylori theory is just that, a theory. See
this url
http://www.rosaceans.com/html/cause.html
Brady

Here is a post from Matija in Pascoe's group that would be of
interest to our group:
Message: 10
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 03:43:09 -0000
From: "ruizdelvizo <ruizdelvizo@...
Subject: Acne Vulgaris - A Disease of Western Civilization
Hi,
I just found this from the December 2002 issue of the Archives of
Dermatology, which is a publication of the American Medical
Association. It talks about an observation made by a scientist that
populations without access to refined foods had virtually no acne.
This isn't a study, so they can't say for certain that refined foods
do cause acne in susceptible individuals.
Take care,
Matija
http://archderm.ama-assn.org/issues/v138n12/abs/dob10212.html
Observation
Author/Article Information
Acne Vulgaris
A Disease of Western Civilization
Loren Cordain, PhD; Staffan Lindeberg, MD, PhD; Magdalena Hurtado,
PhD; Kim Hill, PhD; S. Boyd Eaton, MD; Jennie Brand-Miller, PhD
Background In westernized societies, acne vulgaris is a nearly
universal skin disease afflicting 79% to 95% of the adolescent
population. In men and women older than 25 years, 40% to 54% have
some degree of facial acne, and clinical facial acne persists into
middle age in 12% of women and 3% of men. Epidemiological evidence
suggests that acne incidence rates are considerably lower in
nonwesternized societies. Herein we report the prevalence of acne in
2 nonwesternized populations: the Kitavan Islanders of Papua New
Guinea and the Ach hunter-gatherers of Paraguay. Additionally, we
analyze how elements in nonwesternized environments may influence the
development of acne.
Observations Of 1200 Kitavan subjects examined (including 300 aged
15-25 years), no case of acne (grade 1 with multiple comedones or
grades 2-4) was observed. Of 115 Ach subjects examined (including 15
aged 15-25 years) over 843 days, no case of active acne (grades 1-4)
was observed.
Conclusions The astonishing difference in acne incidence rates
between nonwesternized and fully modernized societies cannot be
solely attributed to genetic differences among populations but likely
results from differing environmental factors. Identification of these
factors may be useful in the treatment of acne in Western populations.
Arch Dermatol. 2002;138:1584-1590
View Full Text
Author/Article Information
From the Department of Health and Exercise Science, Colorado State
University, Fort Collins (Dr Cordain); Department of Community
Medicine, University of Lund, Lund, Sweden (Dr Lindeberg); Department
of Anthropology, University of New Mexico, Albuquerque (Drs Hurtado
and Hill), Department of Radiology and Anthropology, Emory
University, Atlanta, Ga (Dr Eaton); and Department of Biochemistry,
Human Nutrition Unit, University of Sydney, Sydney, Australia (Dr
Brand-Miller).
Corresponding author: Loren Cordain, PhD, Department of Health and
Exercise Science, Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523
(e-mail: cordain@...).
Accepted for publication March 16, 2002.

This message I am forwarding to the group
the correct email address for the group is

This is what I am doing now:
this, another lady suggested replacing it with nutritional yeast, so I might
try this and hope for further improvement!)
enzymes which make it worse, and they turned out to be in that combo I was
taking) so switched back to homemade yogurt,
Wrote that to someone else, copied it to BB and he suggested I post it.
Postscript:
I used to have this idea that the more layers of skin I could remove from
my face, the better it would get, and I scrubbed and used peeling agents,
etc.,
I think all this did was make it worse and it seems the more alone I leave
it physically
(as far as fiddling with it/friction/putting stuff on it)
the better it gets...
eliz

Has anyone living in Ontario found a helpful, open-minded derm in the
Toronto area?
Thanks,
Nicole

Is the diet safe to use during pregnancy?

Elizabeth,
You should consult with your physician before
changing your diet. I say this in my book clearly.
Show him the book if necessary and explain
it is only for thirty days to see if this controls
your rosacea. I have heard reports from
those who have had a baby that AFTER the baby
is born the rosacea clears. However some
report it comes back.
Brady

Hi,
I have used azealin acid. It did seem to help a little. It really stung and
had a heavy feeling on my skin after application. It maed me sweat. Its hard
to describe. Anyway, the benefits did not outway the way it felt putting it
on so I quit. Good luck.
Lora

last year when i first began researching rosacea i remember reading
about the possible connection between rosacea and the stomach
bacteria Helicobacter Pylori (which was recently linked to ulcers).
i kind of passed over it back then, but just went back to it and read
three studies, two U.S. and one Israeli. the theory is that the
body's failed immune response to the bacteria breaks down into toxins
which get absorbed by the body (similar to how the candida in one's
digestive tract creates toxins as a byproduct of its metabolic
process that are then absorbed into the body) and that these toxins
help in causing rosacea. one U.S. and the Israeli study found good
luck in significantly reducing the appearance of rosacea with oral
anti-Helicobacter Pylori treatments (the one U.S. study that did not
have luck used different meds) consisting of [one week on omeprazole
20 mg, clarithromycin 500 mg, metronidazole 500 mg all 4 times daily
with food] in one case, and [two weeks on Amoxicillin 500 mg 3 times
daily, metronidazole 500 mg 3 times daily, bismuth subcitrate 300 mg
4 times daily] in the other case. i was just wondering if anyone
else has heard of the connection between rosacea and this bacteria,
if anyone else believes it, if anyone has tried any of these courses
and if so what was the outcome?

anyone use it and has it worked?

I am willing to try and will try the diet.
I'm pretty much there already. Read about 1/2 the book so far.
I have just had people caution me as to how
safe it is during pregnancy, and was asking a few
sensible questions before getting really strict.
Like you say, 30 days isn't much, couldn't do much damage,
just 30 days.

Robert:
ah-ha. So THAT's it...I used capsules. ;)
Thanks...
E.

Capsules will be fine.Just make sure it says "Extract".
Forgot to mention that I am using Plexion cleanser and Plexion Topical
Solution on my face as well.These are prescibed by my dermatologist.

herbal manopausal supplements for women, on the
other list there is a small thread I think on
the hormonal component of the condition
http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/hrt/hrt_herbs_for_menopause.htm

Has anyone had any experience using azeleic acid cream? It is so expensive,
30-40 dollars a tube, that I would like to know first before I purchase it.
TIA, Sandra

E.
thanks for the questions. I imagine the group has a lot
of insight into these questions as well.
first off, remember that the Rosacea Diet is 30 days. I
think I repeat myself enough in the book on that matter.
What you do after the thirty days seems to be your
questions below, right?
the reason for the thirty days, is that since diet is such
a controversial subject, (don't believe it? try telling anyone
that what they are eating is bad for their health and notice
the response) and I have many critics telling me I have no
diet or nutrition credentials, I have limited the Rosacea Diet
to thirty days since eating what I suggest for that period
presents no health risks. None. After the thirty days you
eat what you want. That eliminates the debate on the
Rosacea Diet, at least from that perspective.
The extreme high protein diet I have suggested for
thirty days is to prove beyond question that this diet
control rosacea usually within thirty days. Some in this
group have said that it may take longer than thirty days,
but the vast majority have noticed improvement in their
individual rosacea within thirty days.
I don't think it is possible to suggest the perfect diet
to control rosacea for each individual, since everyone
responds to foods differently. There are allergy factors
and some will just not eat what I suggest. So I have
allowed substitutions in protein and carbohydrates
and have only limited the carbohydrates to less than
30 grams a day. Unlimited protein ingestion for thirty
days poses no health risks. Absolutely none. At the
end of the thirty days you may restrict your intake of
protein to whatever you want.
Once you are convinced that the Rosacea Diet works,
then after the thirty days, your questions are valid.
What to do? There really is no point in answering these
questions personally for you if you are not convinced
this diet works.
So before proceeding, have you tried the Rosacea Diet
and have you seen results in controlling your rosacea?
This is probably the most difficult time of the year
to be on the Rosacea Diet and you may have not even
started. Have you begun the Rosacea Diet?
As soon as you have and are convinced, we can return
to your questions below.
Basically what the Rosacea Diet does is put you first
in control of your rosacea with diet. Once controlled,
you will need to make some decisions about your
diet for the rest of your life. This group will help.
The books I suggest for you to read will help. But
ultimately, you are the one to decide and you have
control over your rosacea. Some prefer a physician to
control their rosacea. I like this method a lot better.
Apparently many others like this method too.
Brady Barrows

In my experience, if you take antibiotics often you can build up a resistance to
it which could make it less effective if its needed for something else .
As far as yeast infections, I alway take acidophilus with the antibiotics. You
can get them in capsule form or even in foods like yogurt. I have also read
somewhere that yogurt can be a trigger for some rosaceans and I dont tolerate
dairy well anyway , so I take the caps.
If ur daughter has been diagnosed with Rosacea, she should insist on seeing a
dermatologist. MetroCream is much less drying on the face.
She should drink alot of water and pay attention to triggers that you probably
are already aware of...... of course the triggers are very much individual. She
also should reduce her stress as much as she can.
good luck to her
Aimee
Jacy <jacy@...
I have a question for y'all from my daughter. She also has Rosacea.
She has an oily type complexion.
She has tried MetroGel which dries her skin and makes it feel more irritated.
She has tried topical erythromycin. It has a sponge top applicator but seems to
just sit on her face and not penetrate. Her face looks like she has just coated
it with Vaseline.
Neither has helped at all with the redness. She has seen 3 different doctors
and they said that the next thing to do would be a course of antibiotics which
she does not want to do because of yeast infections.
She is a military wife and they won't give her a referral to a dermatologist.
They say they can handle it fine.
She is wondering if anyone else has had this problem with the topical
erythromycin or any hints for her. For anyone that has used the oral
antibiotics: have you had yeast infection problems and how long do they usually
keep you on the antibiotics?
Does this build up a tolerance and make it harder to get results for medication
when you really need an antibiotic for something else.
Thanks.
Hugs,
Jacy

I have a question for y'all from my daughter. She also has Rosacea.
She has an oily type complexion.
She has tried MetroGel which dries her skin and makes it feel more irritated.
She has tried topical erythromycin. It has a sponge top applicator but seems to
just sit on her face and not penetrate. Her face looks like she has just coated
it with Vaseline.
Neither has helped at all with the redness. She has seen 3 different doctors
and they said that the next thing to do would be a course of antibiotics which
she does not want to do because of yeast infections.
She is a military wife and they won't give her a referral to a dermatologist.
They say they can handle it fine.
She is wondering if anyone else has had this problem with the topical
erythromycin or any hints for her. For anyone that has used the oral
antibiotics: have you had yeast infection problems and how long do they usually
keep you on the antibiotics?
Does this build up a tolerance and make it harder to get results for medication
when you really need an antibiotic for something else.
Thanks.
Hugs,
Jacy

Hi, Brady,
I'm posting this under the category of "questions/possible tweaks to the
diet", questions
asked by a low-carbing pal of mine (she and her husband struggle with
rosacea
but say it was brought under semicontrol by a *very strict LC diet* and she
was wondering why the Rosacea diet leaves some stuff in and some stuff out):
I would also like to ask what changes to the Rosacea Diet, if any, you
would make for a pregnant woman.
Best as always!
E.

Hello and welcome.
I have never used those meds so I can't answer that but I think you are doing
the right thing...be cautious, be very cautious. Learn and be in control of
your treatment.
Hugs,
Jacy

If you are suffering from Rosacea or achne, I have treatment that may
work. If you are interested, please contact me at
swootz13f@... .

First off, let me say hello. This is my first post to this board,
however, over the last few months I have read a number of the posts.
I have several questions and was hoping some of you might provide
some answers.
Six months ago I was told I had occular rosacea. I had noticed a
burning sensation in my eyes, gritty feeling, etc. Thankfully, I
have been able to keep it from being much of a problem since I have
been using the warm compress twice a day and also have been taking
flax, borage and fish oil.
A month ago I went to see a dermatologist and was told I had
sebaceous hyperplasia. He did mention I currently don't have any
evidence of rosacea on my face. For the sebaceous hyperplasia he
wrote a prescription for Tretinoin cream(somewhat similar to retin
a). In addition, he also prescribed Minocin 100mg to help with the
occular rosacea.
As of this date I still haven't gotten the precriptions filled, since
I am somewhat concerned about causing rosacea to flare up on my face
through the use of Tretinoin cream. I seem to remember reading an
article by Dr. Nase that mentioned "due no harm" to the skin.
If anyone has used these products or if anyone has any additional
information on Tretinoin cream and rosacea I would appreciate your
posts.
I do want to mention that at some point I feel I will need to deal
with the sebaceous hyperplasia, however, I just want to make sure I
am using the right meds.
Thanks

Hi, Robert - how long did you take i