sarah,
very similar. Atkins only allows 20 grams of carbs. I allow 30 grams.
Not much difference.
Atkins diet is to lose weight. the Rosacea Diet is about controlling
your rosacea. big difference.
I focus more on identifying how sugar gets into processed food and how
to avoid any type sugar or sugar substitute.
this group is also one of the biggest differences. you won't get this
support group with Atkins.
Brady
My rosacea looks fine and even good some days, but that's only
because I take oral antibiotics everyday. When I try to stop, and I
tried to stop just recently, I break out really bad. When I say
really bad, I mean, really bad.
I use a topical therapy that works well in conjunction with the oral
antibiotic. If I stop one or the other though, I break out.
I feel sick most of the time because of the antibiotics. I'm hoping
at some point my rosacea will go into some kind of remission and I'll
be able to taper off the oral antibiotic.
I just wondered if anyone else had the same problem.
Ann,
How often do you get YAG treatments? And if you don't mind me asking,
how much do you have to pay? I have only had YAG treatments. To take
the red out of my cheeks and nose, the YAG only takes one treatment
for me. The good effects last about 1 to 2 yrs. The last time I went
(almost 2 yrs ago...and I need to go again), it cost me $600 to get
my nose and cheeks done.
i smoke marijuana dailey and was wondering if there
was a link.. please dont give me hell for smoking.
just looking for possible correlation. thanks
and PS does that PRoactive stuff really work
my first time posting.
allen
Adam,
you can substitute the expensive cuts of meat with less expensive ones.
you can substitute any protein with another protein.
you can substitute meat with eggs.
the idea is reduce the carbohydrates to 30 grams a day for thirty days
and absolutely no sugar. You will get your rosacea under control.
there is enough evidence in this group that it works. and you are
beginning to see the results yourself. you have to decide if taking all
those prescription medications are worth the risks, effort and money or
decide that maybe an expensive cut of meat is worth it for the sake of
your skin. most rosaceans think nothing of purchasing a topical cream
or gel for the sake of their skin. you have to eat anyway, so why not
really give this diet a chance and do it for thirty days, Adam. Modify
it anyway you want. You know the basic idea. And don't forget the
water and the vitamins. your skin is worth it.
Brady Barrows
To those having problems with changing food habits--
There is one thing I have learned in the past couple of years with
rosacea and health is that you really have to "re-wire" your thinking
on the health front. Some of us are naturally inclined toward
healthy food, healthy habits....I was born that way, always been into
it. Changing my diet was not exactly easy (giving up chips was a
challenge!), but I was eager to learn because I like learning about
health matters. However, it still took some effort on my part to pay
more attention to the food labels and to add more creativity to the
kitchen. The overall health benefits and rosacea improvement have
been great, and I don't feel deprived.
HOWEVER, I know a few other rosceans who can't/won't alter their
diets because they have a strong emotional and comfort attachment to
food, including lots of sugar and tons of carbs. They feel deprived,
punished, left out, e.g. like they are suffering...and they are, its
their emotional state. I've tried in vain to convince a friend that
she's improving her health and needs RE-WIRE the context of how she
thinks about food. Her comfort level with food is much higher on the
ladder than improving her overall health and rosacea symptoms. It's
not that the diet is overwhelmingly difficult, it her attitude about
food and what it means. I've suggested perhaps she should "ease" her
way into healthy eating with firm weekly goals, to get over the
perception of punishment.
I've yet to read a diet book that really addresses this "feeling
stuff" as part of the recommendation. Rarely does anyone state that
you have reorder the way you think and feel about food in order to
improve your health. For most people, the trade-off of giving
up "good" food is not worth improving their health, its too hard
because they've been taught to live and eat in a certain way....like
learning another language when you're older, takes a lot more effort
because your mind has been wired in another.
Sorry for the long post, take care.
GT
hello Brady,
I don't know if there has been a class action suit against some
specific (epilight and/or photoderm) equipment or not, but it really
could be true that at least a number of people are not happy with the
machines. I checked out the "doctorsforsale" web site, and one of
the messages seems to be written by the husband of the IPL doc I went
to for 5 tx's (2 with the quantum and 3 with epilight). The email
address, the name of the Center ("Center for Image Enhancement" in
Houston, Texas), the name of the husband as well as the info on the
number of machines the Center owns are all correct. In addition, the
IPL doc, Dr. Rothenberg, complained several times to me about the
machines, not about the promises of course :) but about the problems
she had with the software, the printing, etc, etc .
I also checked out the following web site:
http://www.courtstuff.com/sct/opinlist.htm
and found the following:
December 9, 2002 - Case Number: 02-1109 - Docket Sheet - Search
Opinions/Orders for 02-1109
Event: PET MAND DISP - Disposition: DENIED
RELATOR: IN RE GAYLE ROTHENBERG, M. D.
Case Type: MANDAMUS
Court of Appeals: 01 - COA Case Number: 01-02-00910-CV
COA Judge: PER CURIAM - COA Opinion: DENIED/GRANTED
Trial Court: 61ST DISTRICT COURT - Cause Number: 1999-48731 - County: Harris
Do you think you could get the same effect from eating pineapple
regularly? It seems like it would be sticky to put on your face.
Mora
I don't think you are slow and I understand Adam. I
have never wanted to become educated in the area of
health stuff. I have resisted it like the plague. I
have always felt that I just wanted to go into a
doctor, have them fix me, and then leave to get on
with my life. But, here we are, trying to sort it all
out on our own! Ironic, huh? Along with what Elena
said about going for the low glycemic index foods - I
find that the less contrast I expose my body to in
general, the better the condition of my skin. Low
glycemic index foods is one way I do this. They don't
give you a blast of energy (or sugar), but rather a
smooth constant level of energy. That is my
experience. So there are fewer ups and downs
internally. I also find not being exposed to strong
cold or hot - water or air temps helps my skin. Any
contrast I can avoid I do and I benefit from it. I
hope that can help. The concept of living a low
contrast sort of life is fairly foreign to our culture
where everything is a 'hit' of this or a 'rush' of
that. Best of luck to you. Deb
Congratulations Nancy!
Maybe I'm incredibly slow, as this has been mentioned like 50 times and I
still don't get it, but what are good carbs? If High glycemic is stuff like
potatoes, carrots, and fruits... Does that mean good carbs are Pasta and
stuff like that? I thought those were real bad for you.. I'm really
confused by the whole good carb/bad carb thing.
Hi Anne,
The glycemix foods are listed in The sugar Busters Books, but basically the
high glycemix are anything "white" white bread, flour, potatoes, carrots,
corn, etc. Anything with sugar! including most fruits.! oat bread is not
as high as white bread, but it's still not a low glycemix food.
I maintain a low carb, high protein diet and limit my carbs to the "good
ones" I haven't eaten anything "white" in months and I'm fine with that.
I eat veggies, but no corn or carrots and I do eat beans. It has to do
with how quickly the carb turns to sugar and gets in your bloodstream.
Even if you don't have rosacea and it's something else, this type of diet
will help all skin problems (check out the wrinkle cure) Dr. Perricone.
It doesn't cure rosacea, but it helps to manage it, at least for me.
Elena
Would you ever consider making a modified version of this diet? One that
might not be quite as good, but based on the principle that something is
better than nothing? :) You're right, this diet is really hard.. I
absolutely could not come up with enough foods to eat :( I'm not a
vegetable person.. and I can't eat fish because I react badly to it. I
don't really have the money to buy expensive cuts of meat (and can't subsist
on chicken every day.. even though I try) :)
But I do notice that the closer I eat to your diet the better my skin looks.
The connection is undeniable.
(At least in my case)
Adam
Hi Carrie, Can you post your message that was censored on our group?
Thanks,
Elena
Hi Connie & all,
I agree that the other list is depressing and sad... this one seems much
more positive and I think it helps to stay positive. I think stress and
anguish is a trigger for all of us....
Take care,
Elena
Speaking of posts not approved, one of mine wasn't. I had a message tonight
from Pascoe saying he thought I made some very good points but that he felt
it was too impolite to post!
It feels like inappropriate censorship to me...like they only want the good
news and compliments to come through. Maybe being from the brazen San
Francisco bay area, I am used to more outspoken people but I am somewhat
shocked!
Just had to vent.....
Carrie
To be honest with you I don't even belong to that list anymore. I
found that it was rather depressing. This list is much more
proactive and inspiring to me.
Take care,
Connie
Interesting that this moderator wanted so badly to not
have their ideas shaken that they went to that
extreme.
Limiting diet is a real button pusher, especially if
you really want to have someone else (a doctor) 'fix
it' for you.
This is a copy of the email I sent to Suzi LaBaron in the 'other' rosacea s=
upport group.
One of the moderators did not approve of my response to her post since all =
posts are
approved by a moderator. It is too bad Suzi isn't in our group here but her=
comment on
food allergy/sensitivity may be of interest to you.
From: Brady Barrows <brady.barrows@...
Date: Sat May 11, 2002 07:32:38 AM US/Eastern
To: Suzi LeBaron <suzi_lebaron@...
I don't know how active you are or if you exercise a lot, but if you
have drastically cut the number of calories your body is use to, you
will have to eat a bit to compensate for the carbs, like Brady said,
eat more of what's allowed. If you are very active, you might have to
temporarilly reduce the cardiovasular exercises while you are on the
diet, this might help w/ the hunger pains. Your body won't ask for
the additional fuel.
GT
Carrie,
glad you are trying the diet. if you can just have the determination,
you will find it works to control your rosacea.
yes, you may be hungry for carbs, but you can eat as much protein as you
want. drink plenty of water as suggested.
are you taking the vitamins I suggest? especially take acidophilus.
the vitamins should curb your appetite some, especially for sweets.
remember, this is just for thirty days, so you can eat as much protein
as you want. I am sure some in the group will encourage you some more.
Brady
I'm finding that I'm very hungry now.........did anyone experience this on
the diet? Even eating a big helping of chicken or fish (which used to fill
me up) I seem to get hungry very quickly.
What should I do??
Also, I crave the relaxation of carbohydrates. I feel tense and I have to
cheat a little to feel better. Did anyone have this?
Thanks,
Carrie
Hi Scott,
Nicomide is not available over the counter, only with a prescription.
The site Matija posted is iherb.com.. someone else posted sav-
ondrugs.com. Try those 2 sites, I think there was another one
posted, but I don't have it with me.
I have been buying my nicomide at Eckerd's Drugs in Miami and it is
not covered by insurance. The person that buys it from sav-on has it
covered by their insurance.
Hope this helps, Let me know,
Elena
Brady, since I can't remember what my id or login is, I just thought I'd
send this to you. Salt has sugar listed as one ingredient. Look on the
box. I was surprised. Kosher salt does not, but Morton and store brands
do. Go figure. I don't know if it is enough to make a difference, but on a
no sugar diet, if one uses lots of salt oops.
Lynne
Here is an addition to the Rosacea Diet:
Protein Synthesis
Many do not know what happens to the proteins you eat. Proteins are
made up of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen atoms combined into certain
amino acids containing nitrogen. There are 22 different amino acids
that your body needs, nine are essential, which means you cannot
synthesize them in your body and therefore you obtain them from food.
The other thirteen amino acids your body needs, the nonessential ones
can be obtained from the food you eat or you can manufacture them
yourself from fats, carbohydrates, and other amino acids. Basically
your body uses proteins to build new cells, maintain tissues, and
synthesize new proteins. Proteins from foods are broken down into their
component amino acids by digestive enzymes (specialized proteins), while
other enzymes inside your body cells synthesize new proteins by
re-assembling amino acids into specific compounds that your body needs.
This process is called protein synthesis. About half the dietary
protein you consume each day goes to make enzymes, many of which have to
do with digesting food needing certain vitamins and minerals for this
task. New cells need protein. Nucleoproteins are chemicals in the
nucleus of every living cell made up of amino acids and nucleic acids.
The carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen left over after protein synthesis is
complete is converted to glucose and used for energy. The nitrogen left
over is converted to urea, most of which is excreted in urine. What
protein synthesis does for you is wonderful since you can obtain glucose
from protein that is essential for life since your cells need glucose
and oxygen. Most people think that you need glucose from carbohydrates,
but the actual amount of carbohydrate required by humans for health is
zero26. You can obtain glucose from protein through protein synthesis.
Many are concerned about eating a high protein diet, but this is only
for thirty days, so that eliminates the proposed health risks. But for
those who wish to learn more about the benefits of a high protein diet
over the high carbohydrate diet read Protein Power by Drs. Eades.
The high-quality proteins come from meat, fish, poultry, eggs and dairy
products that are absorbed more efficiently without much waste to
synthesize proteins. The proteins from plants often have limited
amounts of some amino acids and our bodies dont absorb them as easily
or use them as efficiently as animal proteins so their nutritional
quality is considered a low-quality protein. The prime exception is the
soybean that is packed with the nine essential amino acids and is the
number one source of protein for vegetarians which is the next subject.
*Protein Power by Michael R. Eades, M.D. and Mary Dan Eades, M.D., 1996,
Bantam Books, page 8, footnote at bottom
Hi GT,
Well I don't really count carbs anymore, but I did read that in the Protein
Power and it makes sense. The carbs that are high fiber have a lower
glycemix level, which basically means that you don't get the "sugar" surge in
your system. I think that's it! I stay away from all high glycemix
carbs, they are bad for you at every level!
Take care,
Elena
Recently, I picked up a "health tips" flyer from the grocery store.
It had receipes from Fran McCullough, author of The Low Carb
Cookbook, and Micheal R. Eades, MD and Dan Eades, MD, authors of
Protein Power. The flyer quoted from the authors that "you can
deduct the grams of fiber from the total carb grams to get the net
carb grams" or the ECC-Effective Carb Count. I haven't researched
this any further than what I read in the flyer, so I don't know the
science behind it.
Just of curiosity, is anyone following this formula?
I maintain a low carb diet, and try to stick to whole wheat, whole
grains, etc, but never deducted fiber grams from the total count.
GT
gigiok85207:
keep up the diet and you should notice some significant results by the end of
the thirty
days......then, to prove this diet works, go ahead and return to your previous
diet.....
keep the group informed....
Brady
-- In rosacea-diet-users-support-group@y..., "gigiok85207" <gigiokamura@m...
I know that many believe the diet helps control skin flare ups. Has anyone
who suffered with ocular rosacea prior to starting the diet found that it
also helps their occular symptoms?
Just curious.
Hi, Thanks for the the article. Very interesting!
Elena
I have been following the eating plan for 19 days. My skin was
looking alot better until this week when I had a flare up. I must
have gotten some hidden sugar from something! Overall I feel much
better healthwise too. I have read the posts on the the treatment
of ocular rosacea and am going to try this, as I believe my eyes are
affected too.
Article from MSNBC just in case you needed another reason to avoid
carbohydrates:
April 24 French fries, potato chips, breads,
cereal and other popular high-carbohydrate
foods may contain high levels of a
compound that probably causes cancer,
according to an alarming study released
Wednesday by Swedish food authorities. The
carcinogen, called acrylamide, appears to
form when carbohydrates are heated in a
certain way, such as by frying potatoes or
baking bread, researchers found.
SCIENTISTS at Stockholm University first made the surprising
discovery while carrying out research on the effects of cooking staple
foods such as cereals, rice and potatoes, in which they found
acrylamide, which is thought to cause cancer.
Swedens National Food Administration followed up on the research
and tested more than 100 different samples of carbohydrate-rich foods
subjected to high heat through frying, deep-frying or baking
In just one bag of potato chips, they found 500 times more acrylamide
than whats considered safe. In french fries from Swedish outlets of the
most popular American hamburger chains, they found 100 times the safe
limit, and and high levels too, in cereals made by U.S. companies.
PROBABLE CAUSE OF CANCER
In laboratory animals, acrylamide causes tumors, so the U.S.
government lists it as a probable cause of cancer in humans.
The Swedish discovery is astonishing because nobody suspected that
this potent carcinogen would be in our food supply, said Michael
Jacobson, head of Center for Science in the Public Interest, an
advocacy group that monitors food safety.
Jacobson says the U.S. government should get involved quickly.
The Food and Drug Administration immediately should evaluate the
Swedish report and conduct tests of foods here in the United States.
Officials with the FDA did not immediately comment. But in the
meantime, scientists caution that this is just one study with a controversial
finding that will need more work to verify.
So for now, they do not recommend changes in eating, other than noting
its a good idea to limit fried foods anyway if simply to avoid fat and
cholesterol.
I think we need to step back a little bit and wait for greater discussion
of the issue and see the findings presented in more detail, Carl Winter, a
toxicologist at the University of California at Davis, told the Associated
Press. The most important thing is not the presence or absence of any
type of ingredient, but how much is there.
FURTHER QUESTIONS
Winter pointed out that it was unusual for such results to be released
before publication in a scientific journal and said more investigation was
needed.
I would caution consumers to be a little patient here, he said.
Cancers a very scary word, but one has to understand how these tests
are done.
Grocery manufacturers, who have a lot at stake in this debate, criticize
the study.
To our knowledge, the report was released before it was reviewed by
other scientists, so its very inconclusive. But what we do know is that
theres not enough data to warrant any consumers overreacting, or
changing their dietary habits, said Gene Grabowski of the Grocery
Manufacturers of America.
But others say its important to get answers soon, because the items like
bread, cereal, chips and fries are so popular and tend to be consumed in
large quantities.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Hi,
Well, I'm not sure that I would recommend the bacon brand that I posted the
other day. After I ate it I did not feel good. It's a bit hard to describe
how I felt because it was strange. I had it for dinner and felt a bit
jittery and just weirdly sickish. I also could not sleep. Next day I had a
couple pieces again. Similar reaction.
All I can guess is that it was a reaction to the curing agents and since
they don't use sugar they probably used more nitrates....I have not eaten
processed food with preservatives, nitrates, etc. in I many months and I
think my system is not used to all that stuff now.
I think I will stick to no sugar, no nitrate, no nothing turkey bacon if I
must have bacon. Anyone else experience this sort of thing with processed
foods??
carrie
When you mentioned the eye drops without preservatives
I thought of my contact lense solution and ran to look
at the ingrediants. Now I think I ned to find a new
solution - anyonw got any ideas? Deb
I'm wondering though about the relationship between "histamine-producer's"
and a high carb, sugar diet? As in does a high carb/sugar diet somehow
enable the flush/flare reaction?
I see evidence of this connection in myself because I eat yogurt, canned
tuna, some citrus, avacado and vinegar all the time. When I follow low carb,
no sugar I really do not flare or flush. Yesterday I was out driving around
and it was warm, I did not even get real red cheeks.
Just some thoughts to throw out there,
Carrie
I gave your diet my best shot but I just didn't have the will power. I
can't have dairy in the morning or at night (cuz it intereacts with my
Minocycline) I cant afford any of the expensive meats (would have to
basically substitute chicken every time), and don't like the taste of most
vegetables.. The diet would have just been too restrictive for me. I am
trying for now to slowly implement better eating one meal at a time. I try
to have at least one low-carb or no-carb meal every day (like chicken and
broccoli) which I never did before, and try to focus more on vegetables and
less on processed foods. Eventually I plan to try the diet again, when I'm
more used to some of these foods.
Adam
Hi gt,
Yes, as I understand it it is still "sugar". And fruit juice is higher in
sugar than the fruit itself because it is concentrated. A lot of the
"natural" yogurts use maple syrup as a sweetener which, technically
speaking, is still a sugar and would affect your blood sugar levels in a
similar fashion.
From what I've heard from others on this list, and from my own past
experience, after following a diet like this one you likely will be able to
eat some of these things without flares.
I have found that actual refined sugar is the quickest flare producer....
I was recently read somewhere (forgot the source) that workers that handle
Raw sugar are known to get a red, crusty skin rash....!!
carrie
Does anyone have a take on the juice concentrates in yogurt, fruit
juices and other foods as a sweetner? I'm seeing a lot of products
with "no refined sugar" labels coming out on the market, substituted
with "sweetened with apple-pear-grape, etc juice concentrates". Does
the concentrate function like refined sugar, e.g., if it looks like
duck, quack like a duck, it must be a duck, ha!?
I plan to do some web research this week on the topic, but thought I
would pose the question to group for opinions.
Thanks, GT
Joyce, the swelling went down a lot after I eliminated the sugar. I
also cut way back on tomatoes & grapes (something about acidic foods
bother me), processed meats or any sauces, marinades etc with sugar,
fructose, or the like. It wasn't just my face that benefited, my
water weight down, my stomach stays flat, and I'm able to maintain
muscle tone with less effort. The pores are still kinda large, but
not getting worse.
However, I still indulge in a glass a white wine every 2 weeks or so,
but make sure I balance it against whatever I'm eating and drink a
ton of water. I wake up with a little puffiness, but it goes away in
a couple of hours.
Another thing is that I started taking Glucosamine for my knee and
elbow (strain w/weightlifting) before I totally eliminated the sugar
and noticed that it helped reduced swelling. Glucos works a lot of
like advil, but I think the sugar and refined carbs is the key.
I don't know if this matters, but I've always eaten a lot of green
things - dark green lettuce, brocoli, spinach...somehow I think this
has played a role in keeping the rosacea from getting too much out of
control. I will not do the antibiotic thing...
Hope this helps, GT
area with swelling along with enlarged pores. I, too have been
affected the same way. Has the diet relieved or should I say
reversed the swelling? I have found that many foods bother me such as
vinegar, vanilla, tomatoe sauce, grapes, prunes, alchohol, swiss
cheese, lunchmeat unless I eat Boars Head, bacon , barbecue sauce,
marinades. These foods I have elimanated from my diet and have a lot
less flares. I am on medicationand am not happy about this as I am
concerned about the Antibiotics. I am trying to learn as much as
possible . This seemed to come out after having my gallbladder
removed. I enjoy the support group very much. Thanks to you and the
group for all the great
information. Joyce Shannon
None of the foods that Adam lists below cause any problems for
my skin now that I've stopped with the sugar and decreased the
carbs. The only time I ever notice a histamine release, marked by
a runny nose, is when I eat spicy food. So I don't :-)
Connie
Adam,
Are you still eating and drinking sugar or have you eliminated it from
your diet? Have you actually reduced your carbohydrates for 30 days and
tried this diet?
Brady Barrows
GT
You mentioned that your Rosacea has affected your nose and cheek area
with swelling along with enlarged pores. I, too have been affected the
same way. Has the diet relieved or should I say reversed the swelling?
I have found that many foods bother me such as vinegar, vanilla,
tomatoe sauce, grapes, prunes, alchohol, swiss cheese, lunchmeat unless
I eat Boars Head, bacon , barbecue sauce, marinades. These foods I have
elimanated from my diet and have a lot less flares. I am on medication
and am not happy about this as I am concerned about the Antibiotics. I
am trying to learn as much as possible . This seemed to come out after
having my gallbladder removed. I enjoy the support group very much.
Thanks to you and the group for all the great information.
Joyce Shannon
Almost all (possibly all) of the foods you listed are known Rosacea
triggers. What I found to be really interesting about your post though, is
that a large proportion of the foods you listed causes your body to produce
histamine. This can contribute to Rosacea flushing. There are SO many
foods out there that can cause Rosacea to get worse.. but in your case a
large number of your personal triggers involve histamine. Minus the
parentheses, I got this quote out of the book "Rosacea: Your Self-Help
Guide"
"Histamine-containing foods, or foods that cause a histamine release, can
induce flushing. Foods in this category include tomatoes (<-- also lots of
tomatoes in barbecue sauce I believe), yogurt, cheese, chocolate, bananas,
citrus, canned tuna, avacado, and vinegar (a key ingredient in many
marinades). To prevent a reaction to foods high in histamine it may be
beneficial to take an antihistamine two hours before a meal containing such
foods"
Dr. Nase also suggests that antihistamines may relieve facial swelling
associated with Rosacea. I haven't found this to be the case for me, but
you may want to give something like Zyrtec a try.. much less side effects
with that than with antibiotics, which I personally wish I had never taken.
I think in the long run antibiotics WILL do more harm than good, if given
the option to do it all over again, I would avoid them like the plague.
Good question. It seems that for me, the acne is somwehat unrelated,
and had been increasingly problematic before the rosacea. When the
rosacea symptoms started, the acne become very severe. The diet
doesn't seem to affect the breakouts much, leading me to believe that
non-cheek breakouts are more adult acne rather than rosacea, its the
only time the derm and I agreed! So, I treat the symptoms
separately.
My rosacea consisted of nose and cheek swelling, enlarged nose pores,
redness and textural changes around nose area, product sensitivity,
some red papules on cheek only and triggers from sun, alcohol. Once
I cleaned up my diet, nearly everything subsided, except the acne.
Lately, I've been having some ocular symptoms, but Alice's eye
cleansing routine from this board has helped tremendously.
GT
-- In rosacea-diet-users-support-group@y..., "Schneider, Anne (US -
what actually causes the breakouts--are they the same reaction
as getting red, i.e. from sugar and carbs or are they a separate
condition for just some people who have acne?
Thanks, Anne
I have read Nase's book, and while its a good reference, many of his
suggestions didn't work for me. I did quite a bit of research on
Medline/other med sites and found a few clinical studies indicating
Retin A, if applied properly, could be used on acne prone rosacea
skin. This is what I presented to my derm. It was that or
accutane.
Been using it a year and half, and don't have any problems. My
routine is use a drop or 2 of jojoba oil on wet skin 1/2 hour before
appyling less than a pea size amt of the product, in the breakout
zones, then follow up w/ a light moisturizer 1 hour later. So, for
me it works fine.
It has not excerbated other symptoms, such as redness, which I didn't
have very much. It does increase sun sensitivity for anyone who uses
it, but I've always used high spf sunscreen pre and post rosacea.
Thanks, GT
--- In rosacea-diet-users-support-group@y..., Carole Lee Connet
Nase's book
CL
I have been trying to purchase Dr Nase's book.
Went to his Web only to find that the information that was printed was
not centered so was unable to read a complete sentenc nor was I able to
purchase the book. I would appreciate any help that you can offer.I am
enjoying the support group and am trying to learn as much as I can about
Rosacea. I was diagnosed 3 years ago. Thank you
It may have something to do with web tv and not being able to use the
scroll bars to center the information.
here is Dr. Nase email address: drnase@...
Dr. Nase does not supply a mailing address.
You can only order his book online, so you should get to a computer and
try ordering at:
drnase.com
Brady Barrows
Happy that the routine seems to have been some help. My brother is an
optometrist, and he tells me that at least three times a day he tells
patients with irritated eyes to follow a routine similar to this one.
I visited an opthamologist just last week who told me to continue with the
routine. She encouraged me to go on doxycycline, as well. I am trying to
resist this for immediate purposes because I am about to undergo IPL
treatments for my skin flushing. Once I have completed the requisite five
IPL treatments, I will perhaps try the doxy again or move to low-dose
accutane per the advice in Dr. Nase's book. These antibiotics are supposed
to help both the eyes and the skin.
The doctor also gave me an anti-bacterial ointment, which I have added to the
routine every other evening, and it seems to be making a difference.
She cautioned me, as does Dr. Nase's book, to avoid eye drops with
preservatives, unless those preservatives are the "new" kind that disappear
upon contact with the eye surface. The names of the eye drops I have given
you have the disappearing preservative or no preservative at all.
Good luck as you continue the quest for eyes that feel normal. It will be
worth every effort, I promise.
Welcome GT! I recognize you from the "other" list! The focus over there
still seems to be on meds, but some other stuff too.
Your path sounds somewhat similar to mine. 2-3 years got the "official" word
that my problem was rosacea. I did one run of antibiotics and used
metrocream. It helped the breakouts. Then the metrocream really seemed to
irritate more than help. I suspected diet because every time I ate even a
small amount of refined sugar I would sneeze and get slightly red. I also
noticed a reaction after a wide variety of foods but found it hard to pin
down specifics. Around this time I found a book called "Lick the sugar
habit" by Nancy Appleton. I read it, found it made sense and went on one of
her eating plans that was a food avoidance, allergen identifying type of
plan. (I cut out dairy, all white flour products, all breads, and others.)
Basically I only ate from groups of foods that were considered totally
non-allergenic.) My skin looked great and I felt great too. I slowly over
the last year have inched back to my old eating habits (which I considered
pretty good by the way!!) and have been eating dairy, pasta, etc. And my
skin has paid the price.
Although I purchased the diet a while ago, I have just recently started
doing the actual diet.-or trying to. I'm finding the most difficult thing is
really the food planning. I don't know what to eat!! I am not a big red meat
eater and don't particularly like eggs, though I've been eating them. I
generally eat a lot of vegetables anyway but not for breakfast. Even though
I've been cheating some, technically, my skin already looks better. This
morning I realized that part of it is changing my mindset: the 30 grams, as
Brady repeatedly says, is just for a month! But still revising my daily menu
is difficult.
I am going to try having a bowl of soup in the morning: broth and greens
like kale, chard, etc. If you have any tips along these lines please post!
Carrie
http://www.johnmorrell.com/our_brands_pg.html
The have a web site and the above is the page listing all Morell & Co's
brand names. Depending on where you are, you may find it under a different
brand name.
Thanks for posting your routine. I've been experiencing some eye
problems that I initially thought were allergies or eye strain.
Haven't been to the Opthamalogist yet, though I'm sure the eyelid
swelling, redness, grittiness are rosacea related.
So, I tried a modified version of your routine last night and felt
immediate relief! The first time in at least a month.
Hopefully, I'll get a confirmation soon from the physician.
Morning
1. Hot compresses on each eye for at least three minutes to
stimulate the Meibomian glands
2. Wash the lid margins thorough with Ciba Vision Eye Scrub
(Occusoft Lid Scrubs are just as good. I have also tried Baby
Shampoo, but moved to the Eye Scrubs based on Dr. Nase's advice in
Chapter 15 of his book.) This washing action eliminates the "crud"
that moves into your lid margins as a result of stimulating the
glands. Make certain you rinse with clear water to remove excess
scrub/shampoo chemicals.
3. One drop in each eye of Ciba Vision Genteal Eye drops (or
TheraTears or Refresh Plus.)
Night
Each night follow steps one and two again. For step three replace
the liquid eye drops with Ciba Vision Genteal Eye GEL. This is
extremely effective at providing relief for my eyes.
Good Morning,
Last night I discovered a sugar-free bacon to add to the list! The brand
name is John Morrell. The type is thick-sliced double smoked bacon. (There
was another type, same brand called wood-smoked bacon that was cured in
sugar.)
I got it at Albertson's which is a large chain-grocery in California.
Carrie
Carrie,
I avoid sugar, honey, maple syrup, and any other type sugar cause when I
do, I get a flare-up.....you can experiment after the 0 days to see if
you can tolerate honey, but for now, forget it.....so stick to the
Rosacea diet and quit cheating.....I said no honey!
I told you AFTER the 30 days you can eat whatever you want. If you
don't stick to what I am saying, you will not get your rosacea under
control.
I have a couple of links I am going to add in a revision of the Rosacea
Diet coming out soon that you should along with the rest of the group
check out:
Dangers of Sugar
78 Ways Sugar Can Ruin Your Health
http://www.mercola.com/article/sugar/
Refined sugar -- the sweetest poison of all
http://www.askwaltstollmd.com/archives/sugar/52843.html
Brady Barrows
Just joined this board, after being very active on another rosacea
support group. I wanted to get more info re: diet rather than
topicals, meds, etc, since changing my diet made a big diference.
I'm 43, and 2 yrs ago was initially diagnosed with acne rosacea,
which I keep under control with diet, the use of mild cleansers and
mositurizers (mostly botanicals) and retin A micro 3-4 times a week.
I refused antibiotics from the beginning, much to my derms chagrin.
I inadvertenly stumbled upon the sugar/carb diet connection to
rosacea after noticing stomach swelling when combining starches and
sugar in a meal. Being an exercise fiend, I never ate sugar or
refined carbs after workouts (impedes muscle development), and began
to notice that when I cut WAY back on sugar and carbs, my skin would
clear up. So I began a lot of research, and made a lot of
improvements, but still have more to figure out.
I've never tried Brady's diet per se, but followed nearly the same
regime, and my skin is in great shape, almost no problems, except
with sensitivity that I think the retin A contributes to a bit.
So, I'm here to continue learning and hope to share info I gather as
well.
Thanks for listening, GT
hi all,
after a week or so of reducing my carb intake, i'm now down the 30 grams. it's
going
pretty well really. i am not having big cravings (yet) and what is helping is
that fact
that i've allowed myself to eat things i would not have before because they are
"fattening". (last night with my broccolli i made a dip of mayo, soy sauce and
sesame
oil) yes, the mayo was no sugar, no carb! this weekend.....bacon!!
my skin has already calmed down. it had gotten quite red and irritated in the
last
month. my carb intake had gone WAY up. i hope to see more progress every day. I
also
feel very good....energetic.
i have two questions:
1) one day i used 15 of my grams as honey in coffee. although i don't think i'll
do this
again because i didn't really enjoy it, i'm wondering if people have noticed a
difference in skin after eating sugar as opposed to other simple carbs. IE: does
sugar
make it worse.?
2) have people noticed improvement in skin sensitivity?
thanks,
Carrie
This article was directed towards those with diabetes but I saw
some interest for those of us trying to fight carbohydrate and
glucose absorption.
{PRIVATE}Eat to Tame Blood Sugar
Fruits, granola, and veggies control diabetes
By Teri Walsh
{PRIVATE}{HYPERLINK "/cda/sidebar/1,1296,2002,00.html"}The Eat to Beat Diabetes
Diet
Doubling up on fiber could lower blood sugar as significantly as
diabetes medication.
In a new study, 13 people with diabetes first ate a moderate-
fiber diet, getting 8 g of soluble and 16 g of insoluble fiber daily
from produce, beans, and whole grains. After 6 weeks, they
supercharged their fiber intake, raising it to 25 g each of soluble
and insoluble fiber.
Blood sugar levels were 10% lower on the 50-g-of-fiber eating
plan, researchers found (New England Jour. of Medicine, May
11, 2000). "That's comparable to what might occur with some
medications for diabetes," says study author Abhimanyu Garg,
MD, professor of internal medicine at the University of Texas
Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas.
While we need both forms of fiber daily, researchers suspect
that soluble fiber may play an important role in glucose control,
because it forms a thick gel that may interfere with carbohydrate
and glucose absorption in the intestine. The result: lower blood
sugar and insulin levels and more manageable diabetes.
If you raise your fiber intake, tell your doctor, and keep
monitoring your blood sugar. Here's Dr. Garg's advice:
Aim for 13. Study subjects had 13 daily servings of fruits,
veggies, beans, and grains. "Since most people don't even get 24
g a day, any increase would be beneficial," Dr. Garg says. "But
the more, the better."
Munch on these soluble fiber-rich goodies. Dr. Garg's gold-
star soluble-fiber foods include orange and grapefruit segments,
prunes, cantaloupes, papayas, raisins, lima beans, zucchini,
oatmeal, oat bran, and granola. Other foods high in soluble fiber
include barley, peas, strawberries, and apple pulp (the skin is
insoluble fiber).
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I take acidophilus everyday and it "cured" my doctor-diagnosed
Irritable Bowel Syndrome many years ago.
Connie
I have been using Baby Shampoo. Put a dab in your hand and dilute it
with cold water and wash your eyes with it. It works pretty good.
Hello patricia and thank you very much for posting this!
As I am just starting the diet, it is so great to hear someone's
success with it. And for some reason, as brady commented, it is somehow such
a support to hear someone else's "history"
What are "extra digestive enzymes"? I wonder if I should add them to my
supplements...
Thank you,
carrie
Patricia Lawhead,
thanks so much for your gracious comment and history.....so glad you are
getting results so quickly with controlling your rosacea....keep the
group posted on your progress and I look forward to your further insight
into this malady which makes the group support really support......yes,
in the future please post your message to the group, which is simply
this address:
Nimeera,
thanks for your research on this....I have always been against sugar
substitutes, but some just can't live without
something sweet....once in a while I will eat a small piece of fruit and
am blown away at how sweet it is since I have been off sugar for so
long....
Brady
I bought a bottle of stevia (in a non-alcohol base), just in case.
I've found that I'm using it much less then I would have before my
sweet-tooth was reduced. In the past week, I only used it twice:
two drops in whipped cream (to share with the family), and two drops
in chai. At this rate, that little expensive bottle will last a
really long time. I hope to try creating some low GI recipes for
things like oatmeal cookies that get what little sweetening they need
from stevia.
Overall it seems that my need for sweet things has decreased to the
point that even mildly sweet things are not appetising. I tried the
100% fruit spreads last week. At first it was great. Now it is much
too sweet.
BTW. If you are looking at alternative sweeteners, buyer beware.
Fructose is a sugar. Aspartame and Saccharin are metabolized into
dangerous chemicals in the body. Splenda powder is adulterated with
dextrose (a sugar), and maltodextrine(a sugar alcohol which may cause
painful digestive problems). Some brands of stevia liquid and powder
are also laced with dextrose, maltodextrine, and alcohol. So what
does that leave? Perhaps only liquid spenda and some brands of
stevia.
The Japanese believe there are five tastes that should be on every
plate: salty, sweet, sour, spicy, and bitter. They also believe
that salty tastes lead to sweet cravings, and vice versa. All I know
is that since I've cut back on salt, my sweet cravings have
decreased. I think they're onto something there!
- Nimeera
Thanks brady. I just re-read the diet.pdf again. You've changed the
formatting or something and it's easier to read. And it looks like you've
added more vegetables. I wondered why there were so few before. Like kale
was not on it and kale is so nutritious.
The carb counter is a good idea. Though if I just stick with chicken, fish,
vegetables, maybe some milk & yogurt than I would not have much counting to
do...though I think I will probably want to add in some brown rice now and
then. Yikes. I guess I do need to count.
I have decided I am going to go on the week by week plan....as in I am just
going to do it for one week. I can do anything for one week I think...? Then
I will do it for another week. This I can get my mind around.
By the way, I eat oatmeal every morning. Why do you say no oatmeal at all
for this 30 days? My guess is because one 1/2 cup (dry) serving is pretty
much the whole carb allotment? What if I ate some as part of my 30?
Also, why do you recommend the B-6 (and some of the other specific B's) in
addition to the b-complex? And I have not heard that about vitamins taken at
night keeping you up. The reasoning on this?
Thanks for answering my questions; whenever you have time.
It's encouraging to hear that the veins may go.....i just read an article on
rosacea which says that telangectasia indicates a more advanced case of
rosacea, when I thought that because I really didn't flush, mine was mild.
Of course, either way it's slowly advancing rather than regressing so I need
to take action now.
Thanks again!
Carrie
Marcia,
Happy to hear your success in such a short time. You will be elated at
the end of thirty days. Thanks
for all the tips and post your sugar free products in the DATABASE on
the site. Keep the group informed.
Well, I have been doing the diet a little over a week, and I have to
say that I am very proud of myself...for drawing the "line in the
sand" and making the choice and commitment not to eat the fruits,
grains, beans, bread and sweets that I get and make for my family (I
bake all of our bread, and baked goods, (whole grain, high fiber).
It was easier to say NONE right now than to do "just a little".
And, of course, the "little" bit of sweets (homemade cookies, whole
grain snacks...) added to the bread, grains and high carb
veggies...was clearly contributing to my redder and redder and
bumpier face, flushing and discomfort.
The bumps are gone, the red is receeding (not gone yet! but it's
only been 8 days...and I think I have only had one flush...because I
was cooking and got overheated (never mind the peri-menopause that
is also starting to creep in, but I am successfully (?) managing
that stuff with phyto/herbal supplements).
I have found that there is an incredible amount of information for
low carb support on the Internet. For example, if you do a search
at Google for low+carbohydrate+diet or protien+power you can follow
the links to many useful and natural products available (watch out
for the chemically laden "sugar-free" old solutions for
diabetics...avoid the additives, preservatives, and artificial
flavorings and so on)! There are dry ingredient substitutes for
baking and flavoring, thickening and so on. Many items are also
available in natural foods stores. And recipes! Breads, muffins,
pancakes...desserts. The choice to experiment with some non-
nutrative sweeteners ( like Stevia, or Splenda, perhaps in small
doses) remains to be explored. Read the labels and keep track of
those sugar and carb counts.
Happy cooking, eating, and happy faces.
Marcia
Sorry but just to clarify, she went specifically for her Rosacea.
Carrie,
My spider veins on my nose have gone as well as the ones on my cheeks.
However they will come back when I cheat on the diet. I use SAStid soap
on my face, which is the fourth item on my PRODUCTS page:
http://rosaceadiet.com/html/products.html
However, the first item, Rosacea-LTD would probably help the most for
spider veins since I have heard the product is good.
Don't forget NOTE # 7 in the book about snacks. Check the sugar free
products in the DATABASE on the RDUSG site.
Actually doing the Rosacea Diet for the thirty days is probably one of
the most difficult tasks you will ever embark on,
but many in this group have done it and you can too. It becomes a way
of life after you see the results, which is the big motivating factor.
You will ALWAYS have the sugar and carbohydrate craves, but they do
lesson as time goes on and you get used to snacks with low carbs. For
example, the celery with cream cheese is very low in carbs. One stalk
of celery has 1.6 grams of carbs and two tablespoons of cream cheese
have only 1 gram of carbs. You can eat a lot and still keep under the
30 grams a day! Watch the nuts since they contain a lot of carbs. I
recommend in Note #20 a carbohydrate counter book that is easy to carry
to the grocery store which you can order online from my recommended
dietbooks page.
Brady Barrows
hi brady and all,
well, some flare-ups and the recent activity on
this list is inspiring me to start the actual
diet. i've been following a lower-carbohydrate,
sort of allergy-reducing diet for some months now
and my skin has been looking pretty good.
however, of late, i have relaxed and been eating
all kinds of carbs (bagels, chips, etc.) not huge
quantities but way more than i was, WAY more than
30 grams per day. and my skin is showing it.
i don't have a really red face, but the usual
sensitivities, small red bumps, etc. the posts
saying the diet will smooth out the bumps are
catching my eye, because this is just what i
need!
one question: have people found a
difference/reduction in the appearance of spider
veins with the diet?? or is the only hope
laser...?
one comment/request: there was a post recently
that mentioned some snacking ideas (celery with
cream cheese for example) that sounds like a
really helpful tasty suggestion! Could people
post their other snacking ideas??!
I am not a red meat lover but I like fish,
chicken , tofu and i am planning to incorporate
bacon which i love. a big part of the reason i've
strayed from my eating plan lately is because of
limited time.........you know, coffee and a bagel
is quick and easy.
anyway, wish me luck! : )
Carrie
Kroger Grocery Stores in Mississippi have their own brand of "0" sugar
and "0" carbohydrates real bacon.
Hi all,
Good news about this bacon! now I wish someone would find one that is cured
without nitrates....!!
Carrie
Hi Elena and everyone else,
I can't believe it, but today when I went to the
grocery store, I found a sugar free bacon! It is
Jennie-O brand extra lean turkey bacon. I wish I could
tolerate a small amount of sugar, but I can't. I can
hardly even look at it without getting a reaction,
geez. Anyway, I'll put it in the database. Deb
Hi everyone,
I just added a recipe for mayonnaise and tuna salad to
the recipe list. Also - Elena, what brand of bacon
have you found that doesn't have any sweeteners? I
haven't found any yet and your recipe sounds really
good. I bet my non-rosacead husband would like it too.
Debbie
Hi Debbie & all,
Well actually, I haven't found a bacon that is totally sugar free, but the
amount of sugar in the bacon is very small. I don't have a problem with
regular bacon. The recipe is delicious and very easy which is very
important for me.
Hope everyone is doing well.
Elena
Brady...thanks a whole bunch for this link.....if you remember I wrote and
Kelly,
As I mention in the book, it takes 30 days to control your rosacea. Can
you eat fish or fowl? It is only thirty days. Is it worth it to you to
control your rosacea, or is fruit more important? You will find if you
can only eat 30 grams of carbs a day that in time your rosacea will be
controlled. Can you substitute the red meat with fish or fowl? If not,
then substitute tofu and soy. After the thirty days you can return to
all the apples and pears you want. Absolutely no alcohol period for
thirty days. After the thirty days you can drink all the alcohol you
want. This diet is just to prove you CAN control your rosacea with your
diet.
It is up to you if you want to control it with the Rosacea Diet. Most
rosaceans will not alter their eating and drinking even for a day, much
less for a month, so you may be one of those. But you came this far,
why not try it for thirty days? It works.
Brady Barrows
Hello,
I have now identified after about a year what is wrong with my face -
Rosacea, I am getting married this year and am at the end of my
teather in ways to make my face better - I never had this
before.......
I live in the UK and info. is really limited as well as availability
of any natural creams to help with any of the common complaints. I
have read the diet and am really trying to stick to it but finding it
very hard - I do not eat any red meat and find it impossible not to
eat fruit which I LOVE! I can manage to cut out the carbo's but no
apple at 11 or a pear in the afternoon is really hard - as I am
getting married to snack on nuts seems crazy due to the high fat
content!
Please help! Any advice would be welcome - also how much wine / gin
and tonic is acceptable if any at all!!
Is caffeine really bad or not in all people I find it doesn't cause a
flare up -
Does any-one know of any way to get rid of the spots.....
PLEASE HELP!!
Kelly
Hi Alice,
Mine also started in my forties, I am now on estrogen and progesterone...
can you tell me what you have read about Estrogen, or tell me where I might
find info. I have heard and read a lot and I have found it kind of
conflicting!!! Are you on hormones?
Thanks,
ELena
Dear Marcia,
That IS exciting... sugar is defenitely a culprit!
Elena
I too went through 3 pregnancies without any issues of rosacea, last
pregnancy 17 years ago... It wasn't until a about 6 months ago, and I
am 44 yrs old, it has caused me concerned. As for it showing up on
other places on the body, when I had my worst breakout about a month
ago, I got bumps on my upper back and a couple on the chest area. I
feel confidant it was rosacea...
Carol
went through 5 (yes, five) pregnancies and no sign of rosacea. mine also
cropped up in mid-40's, with ocular rosacea being the most troublesome aspect
of the disease. i've read in dr. nase's book and in other places on the
internet that loss of estrogen can contribute significantly to rosacea--esp.
ocular rosacea.
Welcome to the group which I am sure you will find support. Diagnosing rosacea
is the
prerogative of physicians, legally speaking. As far as I know no physicians are
in this
group yet, but diagnosing rosacea over the internet is not possible. However, I
have
heard that rosacea is generally found on the facial area, but your question
should really
be directed to your dermatologist. The Rosacea Diet should help to control your
rosacea
as well as what is happening to your neck. My record indicates your purchase
was on
March 26 so I hope you have begun the diet. Please let the group know of your
progress and if you have any questions. You have encouragement with many in this
group to follow through with this diet!
Brady Barrows
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Hi,
Welcome to the group. I'm glad you found it so soon
after your diagnosis. It can save you a lot of
learning on your own. I wish I had had this 12 years
ago when it came on for me. I have read that rosacea
can go down the neck and even onto the upper chest. I
recently had it go under my jawline when I was under a
lot of stress, sick, and ate something off the diet.
Debbie
I am new to rosacea investigations, although I have experienced it's
effects since the birth of my second child. The actual birth was a
very long, intense VBAC (vaginal birth after cesarean) process. I
was commited to not having a second surgery, if it could be
prevented (the first followed a breech presentation, despite efforts
to deliver). Our second (large) baby's presentation was posterior,
and proved also to be challenging, but we succeeded with some
intervention and MUCH, long pushing on my part.
Immediately after this and during my long postpartum (with,
thankfully, a delightful, healthy baby girl) I discovered broken
blood vessels and bumpy skin over my cheeks, and some flushing.
I did not keep track of the development...but it has increased
gradually, over almost seven years.
At the same time, my mother, in her early seventies, has begun to
suffer from Rosacea, and we have compared notes, and recalled that
her mother also experienced the same symptoms.
I know that alcohol is a definite trigger for me, especially as I
have it very infrequently. I have just started the diet and look
forward to managing things more consistently as I discover how much
carbohydrate I can tolerate.
I had been looking into Emotional Freedom Technique, which harnesses
the body's energy meridians along with affirming changes in our
thinking and letting go of addictions, old patterns and so on. I
found a practitioner for my Mom (dealing with many new allergy
concerns) in Florida, and she has successfully removed her
chocolate/cookie/sweets compulsions. She mentioned that her face
has cleared up (in about a week)! I had not yet told her about the
sugar connection for Rosacea...but it would seem to have worked for
her, just reducing sweets in her diet!
Pretty exciting.
Marcia Coakley
My doctor diagnosed my "rash" as rosacea, however, I noticed that
the little pimple like bumps are also on both sides of my neck by my
ears. Can rosacea effect these areas too? I have just joined this
group (I was diagnosed 3/22) and am thrilled to find an area to
discuss this disease with others. Thanks.
One more thing:
I think the reason it was better was because my body was
processing things more efficiently and I didn't have as many extra
carbs and sugar in my system.
Connie
hi brady,
thanks for responding, however that is exactly what I am doing and I get a
message that tells me I "do not have permission to edit that record." ???
do you have unwittingly some restrictions active for the database?
thanks again,
carrie
To all moms out there -
Did you find that your rosacea was worse/better during pregnancy
or did it vary? Just curious for future reference.
Thanks,
Anne
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hi brady,
i just added a recipe to the database and i made some typos that i
need to fix. it says i
cannot edit the database. can you advise?
thanks,
carrie
Lasik is corrective vision laser surgery. I had it a year ago,
specifically asking if rosacea would be a complicating factor. They
said no. But now I'm not so sure...
- Nimeera
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Mike Lopez and Rosacea Diet Users Support Group:
Mike, I turned off your email from the group. This can be done by
myself and any moderator, but it can also be done by you.
Group,
we all suffer from email glut and if you feel that you have had enough
email from the RDUSG you can
always turn your email off from the group yourself, but it is not
necessary to write the whole group an
email to do this. It is so funny that the very thing Mike doesn't want
to happen is what he does to the group!
If you don't want email anymore from the group you can email the group
owner (me)
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Another great book is "THe Wisdom of Menopause" and ,By the way, she talks
about diet and guess what? She recommends reading "protein power" and
adheres to the high protein, low carb program. She says it helps control a
lot of perimenapausal and menopausal symptoms like bloating, swelling, hot
flashes, weight gain , irritability, mood swings, etc. etc. ... Frankly,
it was really reassuring for me to read that. It was written by Christiane
Northrup, MD and it has lots of info about hormones, supplements, diet, sleep
and lots more, anyways it was really good.
Elena
Hi
Pure Synergy and a mineral supplement I take are in
the database. Also I have refined my crepe recipe.
Even my husband who can eat anything and look like a
million likes them. Deb
Does anyone else have recipes they like?
Deb
Like all others things, estrogen is still a question. One thing for
sure... estrogen helps the hot flashes and flushes and controls the vasomotor
function. That is why it is prescribed for hot flashes/flushes and it
states that in the medical prescription pamphlet... so who knows!
Elena
I think all women are affected by our cycle and ups and downs of hormones and
have seen posts on the other group that right before and during our cycle we
get worse. I do.!
Elena
connie,
did you avoid the sugar substitutes for thirty days or have you used
them the whole time?
Brady
Hi Nimeera.....Your message about thyroid and rosacea reminded me of the book
called...Eat Right For Your Blood Type....by Dr. Peter D'Adamo(naturopath)
and in the chapter about Type 'O'....he states that all 'O's have thyroid
imbalance and should be eating lots of seaweed or taking bladderwrack
supplements everyday. This book is highly educational..available at the
library.....we had lots of really positive discussion about this book many
months ago on this forum.
In the past few months I have been drinking a Wheatgrass/Barleygrass combo
and find that my interest in sweets has greatly diminished.(Imagine finding a
candybar in your cupboard and realizing you forgot about it and don't really
have an interest in eating it) I know that grains are not part of the
rosacea diet, but when grains are sprouted they become vegetables and do not
have the same effects on the body as does the grain itself. For instance I
am highly sensitive to wheat....but I can eat foods made with sprouted wheat
and not experience any sensitivity. Years ago I used to grow these grasses,
juice them fresh and drink...now I only grow the sunflower seeds into sprouts
and they are wonderful in a salad. I've also eaten pea sprouts, watermelon
seed sprouts.....its amazing to me how much they taste like the real thing.
To those of you who are new members, I purchased the rosacea diet last August
and by early October i was astonished at the excellent results I
obtained....since then its been trial and error in my effort to provide more
variety in my foods without causing a flareup. I think this challenge of
maintenance is enormously difficult..but I welcome it rather than meds,
creams etc. After 6 months, I have experienced that lots of protein, up to 60
grams of carbs and less than 10 grams of sugar have producd no flareups. I
occassionally use stevia but now even that seems overly sweet.
Lee
Nimeera
Thank you so much for the tip that it might be thyroid related. For years
I have had symptoms of what I believe now to be both hypo and hyper
thyroidism.
Some months out of the year I feel I am hypo and other months I feel I am
hyper. There
is really no set pattern. Do you find this to be true also? You have
encouraged me to make an appt
with an endocrinologist. Once I went to my GP because I had such
fatigue they gave me a thyroid blood test and said everything was fine.
Then he
sent me to an allergist. I didn't have any allergies. The lesson that
this is teaching me is that you have to take charge of your own
health and not necessarily believe everything drs say. They don't
spend enough time with patients because of the HMO systems in place.
We are guinea pigs half the time.
Having a group like ours helps broaden our horizons. Maybe it will
eventually lead to a cure.
Anne
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i'm interested to hear that other women on the list are investigating
hormones as well. i am also aware that there are several companies that do
saliva testing. you can find them online.
here is a link for one company: http://www.salivatest.com/
carrie
Nimeera, is lasik the same as vascular laser therapy? If you don't mind my
asking, what were the complications you experienced. I'm about to begin
photoderm, a type of vascular laser therapy recommended by Dr. Nase
especially for those in the beginning stages of rosacea. But it's a little
scary and I wouldn't do it if there were serious complications. I'm motivated
by the fear of developing ocular rosacea. As it is my eyes sometimes burn or
feel dry when I wake up. This may partly be due to age, I was told by my
opthamologist. The eyes just get drier. This also goes along with the
Ayurvedic perspective about stages of life. Youth is kapha (wet), which may
explain why so many kids get colds. Middle age is pitta (hot), which is when
rosacea begins to show up. And old age is vata (dry). I'm in the transition
from middle age to old age, which is when the wind of vata blows on the fires
of pitta, so no wonder my rosacea is flaming! Caree
Diana, I wish I'd researched more about hormones when I first started having hot
flashes. I'm sure that aggravated my rosacea, as would the hormonal changes of
pregnancy. Until then, I had some redness but no papules. When I finally
realized I was having hot flashes and not just blushing for no reason, I opted
not to do hormone replacement from pregnant horses. I've been taking a Shaklee
product called Phytofem, which has soy isoflavones, black cohosh, and flaxseed
oil. It worked pretty well, though I still had some rushes at night. Now I've
just read in "Protein Power" that flaxseed oil contains alpha linoleic acid
(ALA), which is bad for your insulin/glucagon balance. So now I'm looking into
another natural hormone replacement made from soy or yams that's been altered to
match human estrogen. I'm waiting for a packet of info from Women's
International Pharmacy (800-279-5708). You have to have a doc's Rx, based on
your individual needs. I'm also searching for a doctor who would know how to
assess this. I'd sure like to avoid blood tests, but muscle testing may not be
accurate enough. I'll let you know. So much to learn! I feel like I'm back in
school. Caree
Diana,
In another post, I mention the Ayurvedic principle of doshas, the basic elements
in our bodies and everything else. Caffeine aggravates pitta (fire), and when
pitta is aggravated in someone with rosacea, it causes flushing. And of course,
if you consume caffeine at night, it's going to make it hard to sleep because
it's a stimulant. About milk, my Ayurvedic doctor recommended milk, but when I
said I had trouble digesting lactose, she told me to boil the milk and drink it
warm. Boiling makes it easier to digest. Drinking a cup of freshly boiled milk
before bed also helps with sleep, partly because of the calcium, and partly
because it's just what Mommy used to give us kids. Sometimes that's all I have
in
the evening. I find that eating meat at night also disturbs sleep, as the gut is
working hard trying to digest something that's not so easy to digest. The warm
boiled milk satisfies my hunger and helps me get to sleep.
Caree
Hi, I am new to the group. I have had rosacea for about three years
now, made worse by a year of steroid use. I use Metrocream and
Linda Sy's Zinco. I also take niacinamide (B-3) once a day. I avoid
spicy foods and alchohol. My flushing and pustules are pretty
manageable but my problem is reoccuring and very stubborn
papules. Usually on just one side of my face which I am still trying
to figure out. Of course the only thing that has ever made the
papules disappear completely is no sugar, which many of us know
is a difficult thing to pull off.
I know that Brady discourages the uses of artificial sweeteners but
I have found that they work for me. The only problem that I have
found is that the ones with laxative effects I can't take at all. Just a
little bit and my stomach hurts horribly and gastrointestinal
problems insue. I think that those are maltitol, sorbitol, and
anything ending in -tol.
I'm wondering if anyone on the list can advise me about the other
sweeteners, for instance nutrasweet and splenda? Do they have
the same laxative effect on the body...if not, what are their side
effects?
Thanks in advance,
Connie